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From: Joerg on 18 Dec 2009 10:09 Fred Abse wrote: > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:52:38 -0800, Joel Koltner wrote: > >> I would have to guess the the ratio of how often people damaged or ruined >> their starter or gearbox from trying to start without the clutch all the way >> in to how often someone ended up with a stalled car on railroad tracks is >> perhaps about a million to one? :-) > > What's wrong with starting in neutral? AIUI, in some European countries, > starting with a gear engaged and clutch depressed would be a driving test > failure. > Either one would have caused failure back in my days there. Neutral with the clutch released will cause the shaft of the transmission to add load and mass so the starter wears out faster. Also, kids could play rough in the car and slam into the stick. Starting while in gear is a big no-no. What if you sneeze and the foot slips off the clutch? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 18 Dec 2009 11:00 Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joerg wrote: > >> Jim Thompson wrote: > >>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:33:12 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> > >>>> wrote in news:tqthi55bns8p7896nfrdgd756uj45au2qc(a)4ax.com: > >>>> > >>>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:55:48 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>>>>>> Joerg wrote: > >>>>> [auto-snip] > >>>>>>>> You were lucky with your automatics. I know numerous people who > >>>>>>>> have either given up cars or paid north of $2k after the automatic > >>>>>>>> transmission croaked. My old Audi (manual) is now beyond 200,000km > >>>>>>>> and since the new owner and I are friends we talk a lot on the > >>>>>>>> phone. The only things he ever mentioned was a repair after a > >>>>>>>> motorcyclist took an illegal sidewalk ride and crashed into the > >>>>>>>> front, plus after a frozen food truck backed into it. But no clutch > >>>>>>>> job. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What I really don't like with automatics is when you get onto ice > >>>>>>>> and they shift on you. > >>>>>>> Then you don't know how to drive a vehicle with an automatic > >>>>>>> transmission on ice. I took a survival driving course on wet ice in > >>>>>>> a 1/2 ton pickup truck with an automatic while in the Army. Their > >>>>>>> logic was, "If you can do it with an automatic transmission, you can > >>>>>>> do it with a manual transmission." BTW, the test was conducted by > >>>>>>> the National Safety Council. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> True, I don't know that. A race car driver once said that an automatic > >>>>>> will, in our lifetime, probably never be as good as a manual to handle > >>>>>> one you get onto a surprise patch of ice. Load change reaction is so > >>>>>> much faster because it ain't sloshing all this stuff around. > >>>>> Ummmmm? My Q45 has automatic _stability_ control. > >>>> which COMPENSATES for the failings of the auto transmission.... > >>>> and the driver. > >>>> ;-) > >>> It's some kind of traction control. Not quite sure how it works, but > >>> supposed to prevent Joerg's hypothetical loss of control when you hit > >>> ice. > >>> > >> If you mean the ESP that luxury cars have: That can cut throttle and > >> automatically apply some braking. But that is still _not_ the same as > >> pressing the clutch and achieving immediate coasting. > >> > >> Ask a professional race car or rallye driver. > > > > > > They won't race on a damp track, let alone ice. > > > > What do you think the Vikings have these rallye schools for? > > http://www.chooseyourevent.com/images/company/extswe1(1).jpg To learn how to run moonshine or drugs. -- Offworld checks no longer accepted!
From: JosephKK on 18 Dec 2009 11:01 On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:40:50 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:19:55 -0600, "Tim Williams" <tmoranwms(a)charter.net> wrote: > >>"JosephKK" <quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:ll6fi559kj177l5oaqfqvl938c463jp9r7(a)4ax.com... >>> I gave it a go, but it does not like me. I allowed session cookies and >>> scripts; no soap. >>> >>> Now what? >> >>Idunno, your fault for not using mainstream software. >> >>Back to Google. Vintage Radio isn't the only place. I don't remember if >>BAMA has the IO-103. >> >>Tim > >Smacks self on head. Of Course. Too much recent overtime. It's got me goofy. I got a copy of the circuit, the stability control looks like a primitive trigger holdoff.
From: JosephKK on 18 Dec 2009 11:48 On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:01:47 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >JosephKK wrote: >> >> Then it should have been done both with and without cargo. > > > It was done with what we were expected to drive in Alaska at the cold >weather research facility. It was a place where they didn't plow the >snow. Instead, a road grader was used to turn loose snow into rough >pack ice. Most of the winter was below -20 so the only time you >encountered ice or water on ice was when some idiot was intentionally >spinning their tires, or there had been an accident and the vehicle had >melted some of the coarse ice. > > The flooded a parking lot the night before the test, then used a fire >hose to keep the ice wet for the test. Now that is just a mean test.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 18 Dec 2009 12:00
JosephKK wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:01:47 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > >JosephKK wrote: > >> > >> Then it should have been done both with and without cargo. > > > > > > It was done with what we were expected to drive in Alaska at the cold > >weather research facility. It was a place where they didn't plow the > >snow. Instead, a road grader was used to turn loose snow into rough > >pack ice. Most of the winter was below -20 so the only time you > >encountered ice or water on ice was when some idiot was intentionally > >spinning their tires, or there had been an accident and the vehicle had > >melted some of the coarse ice. > > > > The flooded a parking lot the night before the test, then used a fire > >hose to keep the ice wet for the test. > > Now that is just a mean test. No, the mean part is when the instructor is talking to you and grabs the steering wheel to cause a skid to see how you handle it. -- Offworld checks no longer accepted! |