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From: Henry Wilson DSc on 4 Aug 2010 18:29
On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:04:16 -0700 (PDT), dlzc <dlzc1(a)cox.net> wrote:

>Dear Henry Wilson DSc:
>
>On Aug 3, 2:30�pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
>> Since gravitation exerts a force on both
>> matter and light, might it not also affect
>> electric and magnetic fields directly?
>
>Gravitation does not exert a *force* on matter or light.
>
>> If so, might it not follow that the
>> artificial distortion of an electric or
>> magnetic field should give rise to a
>> gravitational force?
>
>Gravitation distorts jello. If we can make distorted jello, do you
>think a gravitational force will result?
>
>> Since magnetic and electric fields
>> frequently coexist and since they provide
>> the only known means of distorting each
>> other,
>
>Other than gravity...
>
>> is it not conceivable that gravity
>> is indeed just a manifestation of all the
>> mutual field distortion present in all matter.
>
>No, not based on your premise, and your lack of development.
>
>Note that materials affect electric (permittivity is pretty constant
>but not exactly so) and magnetic (ferro-, para- and dia-magnetism)
>fields differently than there mass would otherwise indicate.
>
>I had hoped you would have asked if measurements had been done to
>establish how those fields are altered by "elevation" in a g field (as
>opposed to "horizontal" distance). That would be interesting...

At least you are taking the question seriously even if you don't have any
answers...

>David A. Smith


Henry Wilson...

........Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.
From: spudnik on 4 Aug 2010 21:18
very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.

did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?

> > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
> > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up.
>
> > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
> > > than the other two.

thus: incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.

thus: that's kind-of a British thing,
to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
> If every sentence you
> write has 5 commas in it

thus: the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."
http://unsolvedproblems.org/

--les ducs d'oil!
http://tarpley.net

--Light, A History!
http://wlym.com
From: mpc755 on 4 Aug 2010 22:03
On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
> swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.
>
> did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?
>

No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
relationship between gravity, magnetism and electricity.

A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The
particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. The
associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple
slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon
exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
no interference.

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
Dark matter is displaced by matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.

> > > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
> > > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up.
>
> > > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
> > > > than the other two.
>
> thus:  incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
> as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
> both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.
>
> thus:  that's kind-of a British thing,
> to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
> perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
>
> > If every sentence you
> > write has 5 commas in it
>
> thus:  the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
> but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."http://unsolvedproblems..org/
>
> --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>
> --Light, A History!http://wlym.com

From: mpc755 on 4 Aug 2010 23:19
On Aug 4, 10:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
> > swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.
>
> > did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?
>
> No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> relationship between gravity, magnetism and electricity.
>
> A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The
> particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. The
> associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple
> slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon
> exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
> matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
> no interference.
>
> Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>

No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy and
conservation of mass.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
dark matter and matter is energy.

Mass is conserved.

> > > > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
> > > > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up.
>
> > > > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
> > > > > than the other two.
>
> > thus:  incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
> > as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
> > both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.
>
> > thus:  that's kind-of a British thing,
> > to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
> > perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
>
> > > If every sentence you
> > > write has 5 commas in it
>
> > thus:  the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
> > but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."http://unsolvedproblems.org/
>
> > --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>
> > --Light, A History!http://wlym.com
>
>
From: mpc755 on 4 Aug 2010 23:23
On Aug 4, 11:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 10:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
> > > swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.
>
> > > did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?
>
> > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > relationship between gravity, magnetism and electricity.
>
> > A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The
> > particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. The
> > associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple
> > slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon
> > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
> > matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
> > no interference.
>
> > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> > Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy and
> conservation of mass.
>
> 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
> A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> diminishes by L/c2."
>
> Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
> mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
> as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
> As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
> space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
> dark matter and matter is energy.
>
> Mass is conserved.
>

No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy,
conservation of mass and time.

The rate at which a clock ticks is determined by the dark matter
pressure in which it exists. The faster a clock moves with respect to
the dark matter the greater the dark matter pressure exerted towards
and throughout the clock, the slower the clock ticks. The greater the
pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter (i.e. gravity) the
slower the clock ticks.

> > > > > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
> > > > > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up.
>
> > > > > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
> > > > > > than the other two.
>
> > > thus:  incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
> > > as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
> > > both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.
>
> > > thus:  that's kind-of a British thing,
> > > to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
> > > perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
>
> > > > If every sentence you
> > > > write has 5 commas in it
>
> > > thus:  the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
> > > but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."http://unsolvedproblems.org/
>
> > > --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>
> > > --Light, A History!http://wlym.com
>
>

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