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From: BURT on 4 Aug 2010 23:36
On Aug 4, 8:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 11:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 10:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
> > > > swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.
>
> > > > did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?
>
> > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > > relationship between gravity, magnetism and electricity.
>
> > > A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The
> > > particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. The
> > > associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple
> > > slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon
> > > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> > > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
> > > matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
> > > no interference.
>
> > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> > > Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> > > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > > Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy and
> > conservation of mass.
>
> > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
> > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> > diminishes by L/c2."
>
> > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
> > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
> > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
> > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
> > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
> > dark matter and matter is energy.
>
> > Mass is conserved.
>
> No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy,
> conservation of mass and time.
>
> The rate at which a clock ticks is determined by the dark matter
> pressure in which it exists. The faster a clock moves with respect to
> the dark matter the greater the dark matter pressure exerted towards
> and throughout the clock, the slower the clock ticks. The greater the
> pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter (i.e. gravity) the
> slower the clock ticks.
>
>
>
> > > > > > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
> > > > > > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up.
>
> > > > > > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
> > > > > > > than the other two.
>
> > > > thus:  incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
> > > > as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
> > > > both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.
>
> > > > thus:  that's kind-of a British thing,
> > > > to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
> > > > perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
>
> > > > > If every sentence you
> > > > > write has 5 commas in it
>
> > > > thus:  the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
> > > > but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."http://unsolvedproblems.org/
>
> > > > --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>
> > > > --Light, A History!http://wlym.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Electric fields are round. Gravity is sphere. Magentic fields come
double round.

Mitch Raemsch
From: nuny on 5 Aug 2010 04:36
On Aug 4, 3:28 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:

> SPACE CARRYING A FIELD IS NOT THE SAME AS SPACE DEVOID OF FIELDS.

There is no place in the Universe "devoid of fields".


Mark L. Fergerson
From: mpc755 on 5 Aug 2010 07:24
On Aug 4, 11:36 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 8:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 11:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 4, 10:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
> > > > > swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.
>
> > > > > did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?
>
> > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism and electricity.
>
> > > > A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The
> > > > particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. The
> > > > associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple
> > > > slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon
> > > > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> > > > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
> > > > matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
> > > > no interference.
>
> > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> > > > Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> > > > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity..
>
> > > > Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy and
> > > conservation of mass.
>
> > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
> > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> > > diminishes by L/c2."
>
> > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
> > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
> > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter..
> > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
> > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
> > > dark matter and matter is energy.
>
> > > Mass is conserved.
>
> > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy,
> > conservation of mass and time.
>
> > The rate at which a clock ticks is determined by the dark matter
> > pressure in which it exists. The faster a clock moves with respect to
> > the dark matter the greater the dark matter pressure exerted towards
> > and throughout the clock, the slower the clock ticks. The greater the
> > pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter (i.e. gravity) the
> > slower the clock ticks.
>
> > > > > > > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
> > > > > > > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up.
>
> > > > > > > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
> > > > > > > > than the other two.
>
> > > > > thus:  incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
> > > > > as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
> > > > > both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.
>
> > > > > thus:  that's kind-of a British thing,
> > > > > to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
> > > > > perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
>
> > > > > > If every sentence you
> > > > > > write has 5 commas in it
>
> > > > > thus:  the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
> > > > > but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."http://unsolvedproblems.org/
>
> > > > > --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>
> > > > > --Light, A History!http://wlym.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Electric fields are round. Gravity is sphere. Magentic fields come
> double round.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
Dark matter is displaced by matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.

Gravity, magnetism, and electricity are all variations of dark matter
displacement.
From: mpc755 on 5 Aug 2010 07:25
On Aug 5, 4:36 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 3:28 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
>
> > SPACE CARRYING A FIELD IS NOT THE SAME AS SPACE DEVOID OF FIELDS.
>
>   There is no place in the Universe "devoid of fields".
>
>   Mark L. Fergerson

There is no place in the Universe devoid of mass. There is no place in
the Universe devoid of matter and dark matter.
From: dlzc on 5 Aug 2010 10:01
Dear Henry Wilson DSc:

On Aug 4, 3:29 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:04:16 -0700 (PDT),dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net> wrote:
....
> >Note that materials affect electric (permittivity
> >is pretty constant but not exactly so) and magnetic
> >(ferro-, para- and dia-magnetism) fields
> >differently than there mass would otherwise
> >indicate.
>
> >I had hoped you would have asked if measurements
> >had been done to establish how those fields are
> >altered by "elevation" in a g field (as opposed
> >to "horizontal" distance).  That would be
> >interesting...
>
> At least you are taking the question seriously

Except for your massive leap from "do these fields deform" to "they
must be the cause of gravitation".

> even if you don't have any answers...

I had an answer. The answer is, your conclusion doesn't follow, as my
jello example showed.

My answer to EM and gravitation, is somewhat like LeSage's. Only
photons that aren't necessarily anywhere near two massive particles,
are responsible for them gravitating together. No LeSage particle
sinks (or requireing they don't interact with each other), and the
momentum transfer required comes from simply deflecting those
(possibly distant) photons.

David A. Smith
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