Are Electric Fields Distrorted By Gravity? [Relativity]

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From: Henry Wilson DSc on 5 Aug 2010 18:31

On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 01:36:26 -0700 (PDT), "nuny(a)bid.nes" <alien8752(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 4, 3:28�pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
>
>> SPACE CARRYING A FIELD IS NOT THE SAME AS SPACE DEVOID OF FIELDS.
>
> There is no place in the Universe "devoid of fields".

The WFT says that fields are quantized and the inverse square law must
eventually break down. The starts to occur at the WDT (Wilson Density
Threshold) and genuine holes of 'nothing' form momentarily in space...like foam
plastic. The lower the density, the bigger the holes..(Note: density involves
fields as well as ordinary matter)

Below the WDT light behaves 100% ballistically in the holes. It is very close
to being that in a high vacuum anyway.

> Mark L. Fergerson

Henry Wilson...

........Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.

From: Henry Wilson DSc on 5 Aug 2010 18:32

On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 04:25:14 -0700 (PDT), mpc755 <mpc755(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 5, 4:36�am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 4, 3:28�pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
>>
>> > SPACE CARRYING A FIELD IS NOT THE SAME AS SPACE DEVOID OF FIELDS.
>>
>> � There is no place in the Universe "devoid of fields".
>>
>> � Mark L. Fergerson
>
>There is no place in the Universe devoid of mass. There is no place in
>the Universe devoid of matter and dark matter.

there is place on this NG devoid of morons

Henry Wilson...

........Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.

From: Henry Wilson DSc on 5 Aug 2010 18:44

On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT), Darwin123 <drosen0000(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 3, 5:30�pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
>> Since gravitation exerts a force on both matter and light, might it not also
>> affect electric and magnetic fields directly?
> It does. General relativity (GR) describes how gravity affects
>both electric and magnetic fields. In particular, GR has been
>extremely successful in describing how gravity affects electromagnetic
>radiation. Gravity could not effect electromagnetic radiation unless
>it could effect electric and magnetic fields.

The Pound/Rebka experiment showed that EM accelerates under gravity like
anything else.

> Furthermore, general relativity describes how energy relates to
>gravitational field. It describes how changes in electromagnetic
>energy affect electromagnetic fields.

GR does absolutely nothing Newton didn't achieve.

>> If so, might it not follow that the artificial distortion of an electric or
>> magnetic field should give rise to a gravitational force?
> This effect may not be measurable with current technology.
>However, if there is a significant effect GR will model it.
>Apparently, you haven't bothered to learn GR.

GR merely distorts space in order to maintain light's constant speed. It is
pure fantasy.

>> Since magnetic and electric fields frequently coexist and since they provide
>> the only known means of distorting each other, is it not conceivable that
>> gravity is indeed just a manifestation of all the mutual field distortion
>> present in all matter.
> No, it is not conceivable. Your conclusion doesn't follow your
>hypothesis. There is no logic in your argument.

There is not much logic in your answer, that's for sure.

Henry Wilson...

........Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.

From: mpc755 on 5 Aug 2010 19:18

On Aug 5, 3:47 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 4:24 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 11:36 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 4, 8:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 4, 11:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 4, 10:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
> > > > > > > swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.
>
> > > > > > > did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?
>
> > > > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > > > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism and electricity.
>
> > > > > > A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The
> > > > > > particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. The
> > > > > > associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple
> > > > > > slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon
> > > > > > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> > > > > > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
> > > > > > matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
> > > > > > no interference.
>
> > > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> > > > > > Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> > > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> > > > > > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> > > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > > > > > Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> > > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy and
> > > > > conservation of mass.
>
> > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
> > > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> > > > > diminishes by L/c2."
>
> > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
> > > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
> > > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
> > > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
> > > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
> > > > > dark matter and matter is energy.
>
> > > > > Mass is conserved.
>
> > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy,
> > > > conservation of mass and time.
>
> > > > The rate at which a clock ticks is determined by the dark matter
> > > > pressure in which it exists. The faster a clock moves with respect to
> > > > the dark matter the greater the dark matter pressure exerted towards
> > > > and throughout the clock, the slower the clock ticks. The greater the
> > > > pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter (i.e. gravity) the
> > > > slower the clock ticks.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
> > > > > > > > > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein.. Do catch up.
>
> > > > > > > > > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
> > > > > > > > > > than the other two.
>
> > > > > > > thus: incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
> > > > > > > as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
> > > > > > > both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.
>
> > > > > > > thus: that's kind-of a British thing,
> > > > > > > to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
> > > > > > > perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
>
> > > > > > > > If every sentence you
> > > > > > > > write has 5 commas in it
>
> > > > > > > thus: the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
> > > > > > > but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."http://unsolvedproblems.org/
>
> > > > > > > --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>
> > > > > > > --Light, A History!http://wlym.com-Hidequotedtext -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Electric fields are round. Gravity is sphere. Magentic fields come
> > > double round.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> > Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> > Gravity, magnetism, and electricity are all variations of dark matter
> > displacement.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The shape of gravity is a round domain.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

"Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark
matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence
dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate.

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
A. EINSTEIN
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
dark matter and matter is energy.

Mass is conserved.

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
Dark matter is displaced by matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.

From: mpc755 on 5 Aug 2010 19:20

On Aug 5, 6:25 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:47:46 -0700 (PDT), BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 5, 4:24 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 4, 11:36 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Aug 4, 8:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > On Aug 4, 11:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > On Aug 4, 10:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
> >> > > > > > swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.
>
> >> > > > > > did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?
>
> >> > > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> >> > > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism and electricity.
>
> >> > > > > A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The
> >> > > > > particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. The
> >> > > > > associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple
> >> > > > > slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon
> >> > > > > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
> >> > > > > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
> >> > > > > matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
> >> > > > > no interference.
>
> >> > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> >> > > > > Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> >> > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> >> > > > > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> >> > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> >> > > > > Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> >> > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> >> > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy and
> >> > > > conservation of mass.
>
> >> > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
> >> > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> >> > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> >> > > > diminishes by L/c2."
>
> >> > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.. The
> >> > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
> >> > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
> >> > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
> >> > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
> >> > > > dark matter and matter is energy.
>
> >> > > > Mass is conserved.
>
> >> > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> >> > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy,
> >> > > conservation of mass and time.
>
> >> > > The rate at which a clock ticks is determined by the dark matter
> >> > > pressure in which it exists. The faster a clock moves with respect to
> >> > > the dark matter the greater the dark matter pressure exerted towards
> >> > > and throughout the clock, the slower the clock ticks. The greater the
> >> > > pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter (i.e. gravity) the
> >> > > slower the clock ticks.
>
> >> > > > > > > > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
> >> > > > > > > > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up.
>
> >> > > > > > > > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
> >> > > > > > > > > than the other two.
>
> >> > > > > > thus: incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
> >> > > > > > as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
> >> > > > > > both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.
>
> >> > > > > > thus: that's kind-of a British thing,
> >> > > > > > to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
> >> > > > > > perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
>
> >> > > > > > > If every sentence you
> >> > > > > > > write has 5 commas in it
>
> >> > > > > > thus: the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
> >> > > > > > but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."http://unsolvedproblems.org/
>
> >> > > > > > --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>
> >> > > > > > --Light, A History!http://wlym.com-Hidequotedtext -
>
> >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > Electric fields are round. Gravity is sphere. Magentic fields come
> >> > double round.
>
> >> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> >> Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> >> Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> >> Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> >> Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> >> Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> >> Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> >> Gravity, magnetism, and electricity are all variations of dark matter
> >> displacement.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >The shape of gravity is a round domain.
>
> Why don't you two emigrate together to a remote island in the Pacific...
>
> >Mitch Raemsch
>
> Henry Wilson...
>
> .......Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.

You're the one who is supposedly trying to relate gravity with
magnetism and electricity. They relate through dark matter
displacement.

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
Dark matter is displaced by matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.