Are Electric Fields Distrorted By Gravity? [Relativity]

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From: Darwin123 on 5 Aug 2010 13:32

On Aug 3, 5:30 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
> Since gravitation exerts a force on both matter and light, might it not also
> affect electric and magnetic fields directly?
It does. General relativity (GR) describes how gravity affects
both electric and magnetic fields. In particular, GR has been
extremely successful in describing how gravity affects electromagnetic
radiation. Gravity could not effect electromagnetic radiation unless
it could effect electric and magnetic fields.
Furthermore, general relativity describes how energy relates to
gravitational field. It describes how changes in electromagnetic
energy affect electromagnetic fields.
>
> If so, might it not follow that the artificial distortion of an electric or
> magnetic field should give rise to a gravitational force?
This effect may not be measurable with current technology.
However, if there is a significant effect GR will model it.
Apparently, you haven't bothered to learn GR.
>
> Since magnetic and electric fields frequently coexist and since they provide
> the only known means of distorting each other, is it not conceivable that
> gravity is indeed just a manifestation of all the mutual field distortion
> present in all matter.
No, it is not conceivable. Your conclusion doesn't follow your
hypothesis. There is no logic in your argument.

From: Darwin123 on 5 Aug 2010 14:37

On Aug 5, 1:53 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote:
> "Darwin123" <drosen0...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b9f6e49e-a513-4654-b3a0-37e587e0e589(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 3, 5:30 pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:> Since gravitation exerts a force on both matter and light, might it not
> > also
> > affect electric and magnetic fields directly?
>
> It does. General relativity (GR) describes how gravity affects
> both electric and magnetic fields. In particular, GR has been
> extremely successful in describing how gravity affects electromagnetic
> radiation. Gravity could not effect electromagnetic radiation unless
> it could effect electric and magnetic fields.
> Furthermore, general relativity describes how energy relates to
> gravitational field. It describes how changes in electromagnetic
> energy affect electromagnetic fields.
Correction.
> gravitational field. It describes how changes in electromagnetic
> energy affect gravitational fields.
General relativity (GR) describes how gravitational fields
interact with electromagnetic fields.

From: BURT on 5 Aug 2010 15:47

On Aug 5, 4:24 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 11:36 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 8:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 4, 11:19 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 4, 10:03 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 4, 9:18 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
> > > > > > swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.
>
> > > > > > did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?
>
> > > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism and electricity.
>
> > > > > A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave.. The
> > > > > particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit.. The
> > > > > associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple
> > > > > slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon
> > > > > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels..
> > > > > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
> > > > > matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
> > > > > no interference.
>
> > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> > > > > Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> > > > > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > > > > Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy and
> > > > conservation of mass.
>
> > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
> > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> > > > diminishes by L/c2."
>
> > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
> > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
> > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
> > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
> > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
> > > > dark matter and matter is energy.
>
> > > > Mass is conserved.
>
> > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
> > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy,
> > > conservation of mass and time.
>
> > > The rate at which a clock ticks is determined by the dark matter
> > > pressure in which it exists. The faster a clock moves with respect to
> > > the dark matter the greater the dark matter pressure exerted towards
> > > and throughout the clock, the slower the clock ticks. The greater the
> > > pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter (i.e. gravity) the
> > > slower the clock ticks.
>
> > > > > > > > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
> > > > > > > > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up.
>
> > > > > > > > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
> > > > > > > > > than the other two.
>
> > > > > > thus: incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
> > > > > > as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
> > > > > > both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.
>
> > > > > > thus: that's kind-of a British thing,
> > > > > > to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
> > > > > > perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
>
> > > > > > > If every sentence you
> > > > > > > write has 5 commas in it
>
> > > > > > thus: the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
> > > > > > but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."http://unsolvedproblems.org/
>
> > > > > > --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>
> > > > > > --Light, A History!http://wlym.com-Hidequoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > Electric fields are round. Gravity is sphere. Magentic fields come
> > double round.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>
> Gravity, magnetism, and electricity are all variations of dark matter
> displacement.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

The shape of gravity is a round domain.

Mitch Raemsch

From: Henry Wilson DSc on 5 Aug 2010 18:21

On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:01:48 -0700 (PDT), dlzc <dlzc1(a)cox.net> wrote:

>Dear Henry Wilson DSc:
>
>On Aug 4, 3:29�pm, ..@..(Henry Wilson DSc) wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:04:16 -0700 (PDT),dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net> wrote:
>...
>> >Note that materials affect electric (permittivity
>> >is pretty constant but not exactly so) and magnetic
>> >(ferro-, para- and dia-magnetism) fields
>> >differently than there mass would otherwise
>> >indicate.
>>
>> >I had hoped you would have asked if measurements
>> >had been done to establish how those fields are
>> >altered by "elevation" in a g field (as opposed
>> >to "horizontal" distance). �That would be
>> >interesting...
>>
>> At least you are taking the question seriously
>
>Except for your massive leap from "do these fields deform" to "they
>must be the cause of gravitation".
>
>> even if you don't have any answers...
>
>I had an answer. The answer is, your conclusion doesn't follow, as my
>jello example showed.
>
>My answer to EM and gravitation, is somewhat like LeSage's. Only
>photons that aren't necessarily anywhere near two massive particles,
>are responsible for them gravitating together. No LeSage particle
>sinks (or requireing they don't interact with each other), and the
>momentum transfer required comes from simply deflecting those
>(possibly distant) photons.

The particle 'shielding theory' works for gravity as other fields if certain
assumptions are made.

>David A. Smith

Henry Wilson...

........Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.

From: Henry Wilson DSc on 5 Aug 2010 18:25

On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:47:46 -0700 (PDT), BURT <macromitch(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Aug 5, 4:24�am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 4, 11:36�pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 4, 8:23�pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Aug 4, 11:19�pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Aug 4, 10:03�pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > On Aug 4, 9:18�pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > very good; obviously, the magnetic field in a strong magnet
>> > > > > > swamps gravity, but there is no "free space," in every case.
>>
>> > > > > > did Kaluza combine EM and gravity in his 5d theory?
>>
>> > > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
>> > > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism and electricity.
>>
>> > > > > A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The
>> > > > > particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. The
>> > > > > associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple
>> > > > > slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon
>> > > > > exiting the slits which alters the direction the particle travels.
>> > > > > Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
>> > > > > matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
>> > > > > no interference.
>>
>> > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
>> > > > > Dark matter is displaced by matter.
>> > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
>> > > > > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
>> > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>>
>> > > > > Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>>
>> > > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
>> > > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy and
>> > > > conservation of mass.
>>
>> > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?'
>> > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>>
>> > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
>> > > > diminishes by L/c2."
>>
>> > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The
>> > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists
>> > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.
>> > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional
>> > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring
>> > > > dark matter and matter is energy.
>>
>> > > > Mass is conserved.
>>
>> > > No need for anything more than three dimensions to understand the
>> > > relationship between gravity, magnetism, electricity, energy,
>> > > conservation of mass and time.
>>
>> > > The rate at which a clock ticks is determined by the dark matter
>> > > pressure in which it exists. The faster a clock moves with respect to
>> > > the dark matter the greater the dark matter pressure exerted towards
>> > > and throughout the clock, the slower the clock ticks. The greater the
>> > > pressure exerted by dark matter displaced by matter (i.e. gravity) the
>> > > slower the clock ticks.
>>
>> > > > > > > > > >3. There have been multiple attempts to explain gravity in terms of
>> > > > > > > > > >electromagnetic fields. See, for example, Kaluza-Klein. Do catch up.
>>
>> > > > > > > > > The problem is to test any theory since the gravity force is so much weaker
>> > > > > > > > > than the other two.
>>
>> > > > > > thus: �incidentally, the perfect box problem is of the same sort,
>> > > > > > as le theoreme <<dernier>> de Fermatttt, and obviously
>> > > > > > both Diophantine and geometrically dimensional.
>>
>> > > > > > thus: �that's kind-of a British thing,
>> > > > > > to leave commas to the imagination of the reader,
>> > > > > > perhaps because that's how Eliz. does it, or some thing.
>>
>> > > > > > >�If every sentence you
>> > > > > > > write has 5 commas in it
>>
>> > > > > > thus: �the perfect box problem missed one of the lengths,
>> > > > > > but I couldn't see what you meant by a "4d brick."http://unsolvedproblems.org/
>>
>> > > > > > --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net
>>
>> > > > > > --Light, A History!http://wlym.com-Hidequoted text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Electric fields are round. Gravity is sphere. Magentic fields come
>> > double round.
>>
>> > Mitch Raemsch
>>
>> Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
>> Dark matter is displaced by matter.
>> Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
>> Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
>> Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>>
>> Maxwell's displacement current is dark matter displacement.
>>
>> Gravity, magnetism, and electricity are all variations of dark matter
>> displacement.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>The shape of gravity is a round domain.

Why don't you two emigrate together to a remote island in the Pacific...

>Mitch Raemsch

Henry Wilson...

........Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.