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From: David Kastrup on 8 Sep 2009 06:56 Alan Mackenzie <acm(a)muc.de> writes: > In comp.lang.lisp Dave Searles <searles(a)hoombah.nurt.bt.uk> wrote: > >> You can't turn back the clock. > > I can. I do it once a year in the springtime. I prefer to do that in the autumn. > Look. If you start Emacs and expect just to use it, you'll be > disappointed. You need to put in some considerable learning time. If > you don't want to invest this time, use a different program. The current state of Emacs is such that you can pretty much work with it without putting in learning time. You don't get many benefits in that case. However, one benefit is its support of many multilingual coding systems out of the box (it stops short of supporting right-to-left languages properly, though). > Oh, lots of people are critical of Emacs. Much of that criticism is > positive and helpful, and helps the improvement of Emacs. Your > criticism doesn't fall into this category, sadly. Your expectations > of Emacs were clearly unrealistic. I find the use of "expectation" strange since he does not appear to want to try current versions of Emacs. Perhaps "preconceptions"? -- David Kastrup
From: Alan Mackenzie on 8 Sep 2009 07:41 In comp.lang.lisp David Kastrup <dak(a)gnu.org> wrote: > Alan Mackenzie <acm(a)muc.de> writes: >> In comp.lang.lisp Dave Searles <searles(a)hoombah.nurt.bt.uk> wrote: >>> You can't turn back the clock. >> I can. I do it once a year in the springtime. > I prefer to do that in the autumn. Ah, right. That might explain a few things. ;-) >> Look. If you start Emacs and expect just to use it, you'll be >> disappointed. You need to put in some considerable learning time. If >> you don't want to invest this time, use a different program. > The current state of Emacs is such that you can pretty much work with it > without putting in learning time. You don't get many benefits in that > case. However, one benefit is its support of many multilingual coding > systems out of the box (it stops short of supporting right-to-left > languages properly, though). >> Oh, lots of people are critical of Emacs. Much of that criticism is >> positive and helpful, and helps the improvement of Emacs. Your >> criticism doesn't fall into this category, sadly. Your expectations >> of Emacs were clearly unrealistic. > I find the use of "expectation" strange since he does not appear to want > to try current versions of Emacs. Perhaps "preconceptions"? He expected just to fire up the program and use it like anything else. Either that, or he just wants a flaming thread. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
From: Turgut Durduran on 8 Sep 2009 07:59 On 2009-09-08, Alan Mackenzie <acm(a)muc.de> wrote: > >> While failing to call them by the industry-standard names. (And if it >> does retain a history of past clipboard entries, it can't possibly be >> doing so using the system-native clipboard on Windows or, I expect, the >> Mac. So there's another problem: if you cut text in emacs and then try >> to paste it in Thunderbird or whatever, you'll get nothing or the wrong >> text out of the paste. > > This may be true. I personally don't use Emacs in a GUI, so I wouldn't > know. If what you say is true, then it's a bug. Emacs does have bugs, > though probably not as many as the "standard" says it should. ;-) It is not true. > > Oh, lots of people are critical of Emacs. Much of that criticism is > positive and helpful, and helps the improvement of Emacs. Your criticism > doesn't fall into this category, sadly. Your expectations of Emacs were > clearly unrealistic. > They are quite realistic and easy to implement but they would cripple emacs and that is why they are not the default behavior. He wants emacs to behave something like notepad or at best like wordpad. ugdc
From: Turgut Durduran on 8 Sep 2009 08:01 On 2009-09-08, Alan Mackenzie <acm(a)muc.de> wrote: >> I find the use of "expectation" strange since he does not appear to want >> to try current versions of Emacs. Perhaps "preconceptions"? > > He expected just to fire up the program and use it like anything else. > Either that, or he just wants a flaming thread. I think the latter because he can fire up emacs and use it like anything else given that his example is to write a letter to his granny. I hope she is patient because he has been wasting his time writing here. ugdc
From: Alan Mackenzie on 8 Sep 2009 08:21
In comp.lang.lisp Turgut Durduran <ugdc(a)ugdc.org> wrote: > On 2009-09-08, Alan Mackenzie <acm(a)muc.de> wrote: >>> While failing to call them by the industry-standard names. (And if it >>> does retain a history of past clipboard entries, it can't possibly be >>> doing so using the system-native clipboard on Windows or, I expect, the >>> Mac. So there's another problem: if you cut text in emacs and then try >>> to paste it in Thunderbird or whatever, you'll get nothing or the wrong >>> text out of the paste. >> This may be true. I personally don't use Emacs in a GUI, so I wouldn't >> know. If what you say is true, then it's a bug. Emacs does have bugs, >> though probably not as many as the "standard" says it should. ;-) > It is not true. OK. Somehow, I had a feeling it wasn't. >> Oh, lots of people are critical of Emacs. Much of that criticism is >> positive and helpful, and helps the improvement of Emacs. Your criticism >> doesn't fall into this category, sadly. Your expectations of Emacs were >> clearly unrealistic. > They are quite realistic and easy to implement but they would cripple > emacs and that is why they are not the default behavior. He wants emacs to > behave something like notepad or at best like wordpad. Whatever they are. ;-) By the way, does anybody know who this David Searles character is (other than himself, of course)? > ugdc -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). |