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From: Dave Searles on 10 Sep 2009 04:05 Alan Mackenzie wrote: > In comp.lang.lisp Turgut Durduran <ugdc(a)ugdc.org> wrote: >> On 2009-09-08, Alan Mackenzie <acm(a)muc.de> wrote: > >>>> While failing to call them by the industry-standard names. (And if it >>>> does retain a history of past clipboard entries, it can't possibly be >>>> doing so using the system-native clipboard on Windows or, I expect, the >>>> Mac. So there's another problem: if you cut text in emacs and then try >>>> to paste it in Thunderbird or whatever, you'll get nothing or the wrong >>>> text out of the paste. > >>> This may be true. I personally don't use Emacs in a GUI, so I wouldn't >>> know. If what you say is true, then it's a bug. Emacs does have bugs, >>> though probably not as many as the "standard" says it should. ;-) > >> It is not true. > > OK. Somehow, I had a feeling it wasn't. And yet either it must be, or the claim that emacs has some kind of multi-clipboard with history must have been a lie. Either way, a claim that one of you made is a lie. Checkmate. >>> Oh, lots of people are critical of Emacs. Much of that criticism is >>> positive and helpful, and helps the improvement of Emacs. Your criticism >>> doesn't fall into this category, sadly. Your expectations of Emacs were >>> clearly unrealistic. > >> They are quite realistic and easy to implement but they would cripple >> emacs and that is why they are not the default behavior. He wants emacs to >> behave something like notepad or at best like wordpad. Not true. > Whatever they are. ;-) By the way, does anybody know who this David > Searles character is (other than himself, of course)? How could I be anybody "other than myself"??? I am who I am. If you mean personal details, I'm tempted to say "none of your beeswax", but I guess I might as well reveal a little: Lisp hacker, fairly recently out of MIT, also software development using C (there aren't many Lisp jobs out there).
From: Dave Searles on 10 Sep 2009 04:06 Turgut Durduran wrote: > On 2009-09-08, Alan Mackenzie <acm(a)muc.de> wrote: >>> It is not true. >> OK. Somehow, I had a feeling it wasn't. > > I am not going to hunt for a windows or mac-OS based computer to try it > out but if I recall correctly from many years ago, it can interact with > the standard windows clipboard. Yet it demonstrably cannot, unless *another* of your statements was a lie. Checkmate. >> Whatever they are. ;-) By the way, does anybody know who this David >> Searles character is (other than himself, of course)? > > The most interesting David Searles that I see is this one: > > -- > http://cid-bf94e7f974ba1845.profile.live.com/ > > I'm aries born, 5'11 light complextion straight as an arrow love my girls > dark and inteligent.i'm a qualified chef and a selftaught barber which i > currently pratice right now(taking a break from cooking).so holla at me. That's not me. They aren't exactly uncommon first and surnames, so there are probably dozens of people with my name out there.
From: Andrea Crotti on 10 Sep 2009 04:07 > IDE-specific. I'm not sure what that means, but Eclipse has a command to > comment out the selection. It's available quickly via right-click menu > even if you forget the key combination. You're always afraid to forget key combinations, but do you think we all remeber them by heart?? How could that be a command that comments, uh oh maybe "comment- region" (completion helps also ;) ) For copy and pasting then it's ridiculous, what'd difficult in - select region (for some modes it's also even easier this step) - C-w - move somewhere else (with C-s, using tags or whatever) - C-y I still don't get why so much anger against emacs, are you maybe forced to use it?
From: Alan Mackenzie on 10 Sep 2009 08:21 In comp.lang.lisp Dave Searles <searles(a)hoombah.nurt.bt.uk> wrote: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> By the way, does anybody know who this David Searles character is >> (other than himself, of course)? > How could I be anybody "other than myself"??? I am who I am. Thank goodness nobody else is. > If you mean personal details, I'm tempted to say "none of your > beeswax", but I guess I might as well reveal a little: Lisp hacker, > fairly recently out of MIT, also software development using C (there > aren't many Lisp jobs out there). Ah, a recent CS graduate who knows it all. That's all right, sonny, a lot of us were like that once. Don't worry, you'll grow out of it once you've seen a bit of the real world. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
From: Turgut Durduran on 10 Sep 2009 09:35
On 2009-09-10, Dave Searles <searles(a)hoombah.nurt.bt.uk> wrote: >> What you say is, in its own terms, true, but we don't accept these terms. > > Tough. Objective ones are the only terms I'm offering. "objective"? I never seen you give the list of standards or a methodology to judge them. > I made no basic assumptions. I used reason and empirical data to draw my > conclusions. (One such piece of data is the relative market shares of > applications with idiosyncratic interfaces and applications that adhere > to interface standards.) Shall we divide by the amount of money spent on marketing ? > > Any key sequence is the equal of any other key sequence that's no > longer, so the only way they can be "essential to emacs" in a way that > is damaged by simply moving one or two of them away from keys like > control-C that are supposed to do something else is if it is "essential > to emacs" that users struggle with its interface and have problems with > simple actions like cut, copy, and paste. Why should I use non-standard things like control-C in my text-editor when it matches how everything else works? >> go to start/end of function, > > That isn't a text editing action; that's a computer program editing > action. I'd use an IDE if I wanted to do that, and I'd typically just > click at one or the other end of the function definition even so. Blank > lines make easy targets for the mouse, in standards conforming programs > where clicking anywhere to the right of the line end on the line lands > you at the line end. Or we do something in a "standard" manner and have a program that does both. Hmm, that gives me an idea. k |