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From: Dave Searles on 10 Sep 2009 02:16 David Kastrup wrote: > Dave Searles <searles(a)hoombah.nurt.bt.uk> writes: > >> Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> Hi, Dave, >>> >>> I think it's clear by now that Emacs isn't your sort of program, and you >>> should stop telling everybody what you find difficult about it. We >>> believe you, honest! >> Then why do you continue to argue against what I say? If you are >> arguing against a position that you believe, then your behavior is >> most illogical. > > Oh, one can readily believe that you don't like Emacs. That's a > statement of taste and your volition. But [accuses me of lying] I will take that as your conceding that you still don't have a logical argument against what I've said.
From: Lars Rune Nøstdal on 10 Sep 2009 02:45 On Sep 10, 8:16 am, Dave Searles <sear...(a)hoombah.nurt.bt.uk> wrote: > Lars Rune Nøstdal wrote: > > [personal attack deleted] > > I will take that as your conceding that you still don't have a logical > argument against what I've said. "Still"?. If you push a bit harder next time, perhaps you'll get a cool prize.
From: Dave Searles on 10 Sep 2009 03:59 David Kastrup wrote: > The current state of Emacs is such that you can pretty much work with it > without putting in learning time. Clearly false; the first time you go to cut, copy, or paste anything, it will blow up in your face. >> Oh, lots of people are critical of Emacs. Much of that criticism is >> positive and helpful, and helps the improvement of Emacs. Your >> criticism doesn't fall into this category, sadly. Your expectations >> of Emacs were clearly unrealistic. I've already debunked this claim in a previous post.
From: Dave Searles on 10 Sep 2009 04:00 Turgut Durduran wrote: > On 2009-09-08, Alan Mackenzie <acm(a)muc.de> wrote: >>> I find the use of "expectation" strange since he does not appear to want >>> to try current versions of Emacs. Perhaps "preconceptions"? >> He expected just to fire up the program and use it like anything else. >> Either that, or he just wants a flaming thread. Perhaps instead of speculating about what I want, you should either ask me or remain silent Alan? > I think the latter because he can fire up emacs and use it like anything > else given that his example is to write a letter to his granny. Clearly false; as soon as an attempt is made to use the clipboard, if not sooner, it will all go pear-shaped.
From: Dave Searles on 10 Sep 2009 04:03
Turgut Durduran wrote: > On 2009-09-08, Alan Mackenzie <acm(a)muc.de> wrote: >>> While failing to call them by the industry-standard names. (And if it >>> does retain a history of past clipboard entries, it can't possibly be >>> doing so using the system-native clipboard on Windows or, I expect, the >>> Mac. So there's another problem: if you cut text in emacs and then try >>> to paste it in Thunderbird or whatever, you'll get nothing or the wrong >>> text out of the paste. >> This may be true. I personally don't use Emacs in a GUI, so I wouldn't >> know. If what you say is true, then it's a bug. Emacs does have bugs, >> though probably not as many as the "standard" says it should. ;-) > > It is not true. And yet it must be: since the Windows clipboard doesn't have a history and the emacs one does, they must be separate clipboards. >> Oh, lots of people are critical of Emacs. Much of that criticism is >> positive and helpful, and helps the improvement of Emacs. Your criticism >> doesn't fall into this category, sadly. Your expectations of Emacs were >> clearly unrealistic. > > They are quite realistic and easy to implement but they would cripple > emacs They would not. Unless you believe an important purpose of emacs is to keep out normal computer users, in which case I can attack your problematic motives and elitism. Either way, you lose. Checkmate. > He wants emacs to behave something like notepad or at best like wordpad. I didn't say that. What would be the point? But it can keep all of its unique, genuinely useful text-manipulation features (with perhaps some rebound) so long as it's a proper superset of notepad or wordpad, one that will NOT trip people up that try to do normal text editing the normal way. |