Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Steve O on 15 Jul 2008 03:32 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:206d8c80-66dd-4429-979f-ba45dc128bd7(a)e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > Well, you try getting out of a mental institution some time. I think > the reason I was able to do it was because I learned to talk to > atheists. Whenever I would talk to psychiatrists, I would talk about > medical malpractice. > Robert B. Winn You mean you were LET out? We all assumed you had escaped. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Linda Fox on 15 Jul 2008 03:56 On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:23:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: > I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the >Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's >tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel >exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a >tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. Not all of the OT is theology - quite a fair amount of it is standard Jewish history, whether by aural tradition or, in the later books, written. As a parallel, we don't know how much of what we have from Homer is true of Greece and Troy, since that too is based on aural tradition which means it would have been embroidered, or even falsified, along the way. My own feeling about that is that much of the dynastic detail (apart from things like Helen being born out of Leda by Zeus as a swan) is possibly more reliable because when it was being passed down that was likely to have been the only kind of chronicle they could make; just a theory, though, and I doubt we'll ever know. Linda ff
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 15 Jul 2008 03:57 On Jul 15, 3:58 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 14, 8:30�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:66e61aa9-559f-4671-a2ea-6bc1905bebe9(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com.... > > On Jul 13, 6:28?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:fc9d57b1-a5d8-4dea-b10c-2de186d77c39(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Jul 12, 5:43?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:43c4adf8-d379-4a72-815c-bc35c1c84eaf(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Jul 11, 5:04?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:6ebcae55-3c20-4ea3-960e-25f802c31860(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups..com... > > > > > On Jul 10, 8:51?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:1b629e70-db18-4208-a3da-4381dcebabb4(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Jul 8, 8:45?pm, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > There were some atheists who said Harry Potter went on the train > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > London to wizard's school. > > > > > > > > And once again, child, you have confused fiction with reality.... > > > > > > > Harry Potter is fiction. ?The woman who wrote the books said it was > > > > > > fiction. ?I know this may come as a shock to atheists. > > > > > > =================================== > > > > > > > The bible is also fiction. We don't even know who wrote it. > > > > > > I know this may come as a shock to christians. > > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > > No, Smiler, the Bible tells about the construction of Hezekiah's > > > > > tunnel. ? Didn't we discuss this before. > > > > > ================================ > > > > > And the Harry Potter books tell us about Kings Cross station and > > > > > London. > > > > > Both the Harry Potter books and the bible are fiction. > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > If you want to believe that the Bible is fiction, it seems to me that > > > > you are free to believe that the Bible is fiction. ?I will tell you > > > > what. ?Why don't you decide for yourself what you believe, and I will > > > > decide for myself what I believe? ?Does this seem unfair to you? > > > > ============================================== > > > > Not unfair if you keep your stupid beliefs out of a.a. > > > > > Smiler, > > > > The godless one > > > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > As I said, take sci.physics and sci.physics relativity out of the > > > header. > > > ==================================== > > > That won't stop your stupid comments from appearing in a.a., will it. > > > You take a.a. out of your header. > > > Think about it, Smiler. �I am not going to go to alt.atheism. �I have > > no interest in atheists. > > ============================ > > Then why do your lying posts appear in a.a., LIAR? > > > Smiler, > > The godless one > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Because you have not yet taken sci.physics and sci.physics relativity > out of the header. > Robert B. Winn To remove your posts from alt.atheism, you would need to take a.a out of your headers. Us changing ours isn't going to change yours. Are you going to stop lying soon? Al
From: hhyapster on 15 Jul 2008 04:01 On Jul 15, 2:15 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 14, 10:08�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:b5c22ec1-f268-4a3c-add6-247b8ad8eb0b(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com.... > > On Jul 13, 7:23?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:a151dbac-e47c-4e4f-a64a-94c34c1894d8(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Jul 13, 8:43?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:49:43 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >On Jul 12, 8:25?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:20:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> >A two year old is learning to lie or tell the truth. ?If a two year > > > > >> >old sees its parents lie all the time, then the two year old is > > > > >> >going > > > > >> >to do the same thing. > > > > > >> Ho-kayyyy - tell us please, because we'd love to know, how a > > > > >> two-year-old can tell its parents are lying when it does not know the > > > > >> truth itself. Unless it's by watching the nose grow longer and > > > > >> longer. > > > > >A two year old is concerned about what works. ?If the two year old > > > > >sees that lying is more effective in getting results than telling the > > > > >truth, then that is what the two year old is going to start doing. > > > > >Atheists generally reward untruth. > > > > > Right, now just go back and read again, a bit slower this time. How > > > > does the two-year-old know - from the example of his elders - that > > > > lying is more effective, when - are you still there? - he does not > > > > yeat recognise it as lying? > > > > > Linda ff > > > > In the beginning man created god in his own image- Hide quoted text - > > > > What you are claiming is that a two year old cannot tell if something > > > is true or untrue. ?I take the position that a two year old is just as > > > capable of discerning as anyone, but might have more of a tendency to > > > try to say the answer he believes his parent wants to hear. > > > ============================================= > > > How many children do you have? > > > �I do not have any children. �I am not married. > > =========================================== > > So you have no experience of bringing up children and yet you think you have > > the right to tell others how to bring up their children. > > I've never done any welding. Would you take my advice on how to weld? > > Yes, I have the right to talk about whatever I choose to talk about > here in America. So you are saying it is different over there in > Europe? > Robert B. Winn Yes, you have a right to talk. But do you have the right to talk nonsense? No, Europe proper is not the same as US.
From: Steve O on 15 Jul 2008 04:04
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:a3c2b9ae-59ae-4bfd-b7cf-fcda98b26225(a)d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter >> >> > has >> >> > to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry >> >> > Potter. >> >> >> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the >> >> fact >> >> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have >> >> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. >> >> >> By your reasoning at least. >> >> > Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. >> > Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. >> >> Sheep are mentioned in the bible >> Sheep exist today >> The bible is accurate and there is a God >> >> -- >> Steve O > Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming that > nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the > Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists had > never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, they > said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be > true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go > to wizard's school. Here's where you get confused every time. (or deliberately lie) When they said "nothing exists on earth today that could prove anything in the bible" they were talking about the SPECIAL claims in the bible, not the ordinary mundane things such as tunnels, sheep, goats or shekels. Yet, for some reason, you choose to lie about this and attribute claims to atheists which don't exist. You are either a complete liar or you are stuck on stupid. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the > Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's > tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel > exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a > tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. > Robert B. Winn |