Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Smiler on 15 Jul 2008 00:21 "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in message news:ufin74ta2so5993cnvctserhrdjo59pnvs(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:23:48 -0400, Brian E. Clark > <reply(a)newsgroup.only.please> wrote: > >>In article <g3je745vhlou37gh340g2hhniu4vth4kpl@ >>4ax.com>, Antares 531 said... >> >>> I'm not speaking for Robert, but my replies aren't to you, or to any >>> specific atheist. My replies are intended for other readers who >>> haven't yet passed the point of no return, >> >>Don't be ridiculous; there is no "point of no >>return." There is only a lack of evidence. >> > Rejecting any and all "evidence" and refusing to re-think the matter > is what I was referring to as the point of no return. Objective > proof...no, there is none. Evidence...yes there is an abundance of > evidence if one's mind-set is not such as to reject this evidence > without examining it more thoroughly. The only evidence we get here is along the lines of: "Underwear is evidence for mountains." If you've got any objective evidence, then please do post it. But we know you don't have any objective evidence. How could you have objective evidence for a non-existent, impossible, invented being? If you're trying to persuade us that your gods exist then try starting from our position of "No gods". Starting with your position of "gods exist" is assuming the conclusion to reach your conclusion...circular logic. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 15 Jul 2008 00:54 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:13fb75d9-8d85-4cde-9d72-cd54a1b3c340(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jul 13, 3:39?pm, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > >Well, eventually your son is going to do something that displeases > >you. ?I would not want to be your son when that happens, because, > >unlike me, your son cannot just ignore you. > > Right, and that was you ignoring Steve, was it? > > Linda ff Right. Steve's threats and cursings do not mean a thing to me. I would not want to be his son. ===================================== I'm sure he wouldn't want you as his son, either. Nothing, except your book of myths, fables, lies and fairy stories, means anything to you, least of all, truth. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 15 Jul 2008 01:03 "Linda Fox" <linda.ff(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:k6in74ps3qcvur5jpf6go3aakcupl5sm7s(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:55:03 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> > wrote: > >> I do not have any children. I am not married. > > The two are not necessarily incompatible. > Remember that he's a christian. To him they are incompatible. Just be thankful that he's unlikely to breed and we won't have to suffer the consequences of more like him. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 15 Jul 2008 01:08 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:b5c22ec1-f268-4a3c-add6-247b8ad8eb0b(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jul 13, 7:23?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:a151dbac-e47c-4e4f-a64a-94c34c1894d8(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 13, 8:43?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:49:43 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > wrote: > > > >On Jul 12, 8:25?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:20:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >> wrote: > > > >> >A two year old is learning to lie or tell the truth. ?If a two year > > >> >old sees its parents lie all the time, then the two year old is > > >> >going > > >> >to do the same thing. > > > >> Ho-kayyyy - tell us please, because we'd love to know, how a > > >> two-year-old can tell its parents are lying when it does not know the > > >> truth itself. Unless it's by watching the nose grow longer and > > >> longer. > > >A two year old is concerned about what works. ?If the two year old > > >sees that lying is more effective in getting results than telling the > > >truth, then that is what the two year old is going to start doing. > > >Atheists generally reward untruth. > > > Right, now just go back and read again, a bit slower this time. How > > does the two-year-old know - from the example of his elders - that > > lying is more effective, when - are you still there? - he does not > > yeat recognise it as lying? > > > Linda ff > > In the beginning man created god in his own image- Hide quoted text - > > What you are claiming is that a two year old cannot tell if something > is true or untrue. ?I take the position that a two year old is just as > capable of discerning as anyone, but might have more of a tendency to > try to say the answer he believes his parent wants to hear. > ============================================= > How many children do you have? > I do not have any children. I am not married. =========================================== So you have no experience of bringing up children and yet you think you have the right to tell others how to bring up their children. I've never done any welding. Would you take my advice on how to weld? Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: The Natural Philosopher on 15 Jul 2008 01:16
Antares 531 wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:21:17 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > >> "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in message >> news:72in74drr47ktr9l98raqph18ep0s1h4cp(a)4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:25:09 -0400, Brian E. Clark >>> <reply(a)newsgroup.only.please> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <4d2a74pf351she9f40vri1ku32c7s40a9j@ >>>> 4ax.com>, Antares 531 said... >>>> >>>>> Fulfillment of prophecies is the most convincing "evidence" for the >>>>> reliability of the Bible, >>>> Most convincing of all are those prophecies written >>>> after the events they predict. >>>> >>> Bryan, I see your point, but I maintain that there are many Biblical >>> prophecies that were written LONG before they were fulfilled, and the >>> history/dating can not have been manipulated. Even if the dating of, >>> say the prophecies of Daniel can be argued a bit, it can't be >>> stretched to a date later than the time of Jesus's life. If you >>> haven't already done so, please visit this site and check some of >>> these items out. >> There is no need to "stretch" anything when you are dealing with a work of >> multiple authors writing over a millennium or two. You take it on trust, >> pure and simple. >> >> Moreover, those prophesies are really quite vague (part of their intrinsic >> nature). Any major religion has predictions about the appearance of a >> redeemer figure, about salvation and whatnot. You merely latched onto >> Jesus -- it might just as well have been Mohammed, Bab, Baha'u'llah or a >> host of others. >> > Alex, I've seen this rebuttal before but I've never had anyone point > out to me any list of successfully filled complex prophecies other > than those revealed in the Bible. Can you please direct me to a source > such as this one, but for some of the other major religions? > Nor fr religion, no, but try Newtons 'Principia' for a book of prophecies that always get fulfilled pretty much to the letter. > http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml > > Gordon |