Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: DanielSan on 14 Jul 2008 22:13 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 14, 5:54 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 13, 7:10�pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:43:18 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Well, you have not talked to any of your fellow atheists lately. >>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has >>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry >>>>>>> Potter. >>>>>> Your speculations are utter rubbish... >>>>> That is not speculation. �That is what they actually said to me. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Your idiotic posts say more about you than anything any atheist posts. >>> I said a long time ago that if atheists do not want to believe >>> Hezekiah's tunnel exists, they are free to believe it does not. That >>> will not change reality, but they are free to believe whatever they >>> want to believe. >> The existence of Hezekiah's Tunnel is irrelevant to the veracity of the >> book it is mentioned in. >> >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/HezekiahTunnel.jpg >> >> Now, can you please provide the post where an atheist said that, if >> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists, than Harry Potter has to be true because the >> train station in London is mentioned in Harry Potter? >> > No, we are going to move on. So, you are unable to back up your assertion? Color me unsurprised. > The Harry Potter books have nothing to > do with the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. And the existence of Hezekiah's Tunnel has nothing to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. Try to wrap your brain around that... if you can. The existence of King's Cross Station has nothing to do with the truthfulness of the Harry Potter books. Do you see a correlation? (For some reason, I'm thinking the answer to that question is a big fat "no".) -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 14 Jul 2008 22:14 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 14, 8:03�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> Think about it, Smiler. �I am not going to go to alt.atheism. �I have >>> no interest in atheists. >> That's why you post into alt.atheism, and engage with atheists in a >> thread that spans many thousands of posts? >> >> TLA > > As I said, take sci.physics and sci.physics relativity out of the > header, and I will never see your posts. And take alt.atheism out of your header and you will never see OUR posts. -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: Smiler on 14 Jul 2008 22:22 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:51256519-30f6-4be9-b375-a6c12573f75f(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jul 14, 5:54 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 13, 7:10?pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:43:18 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >>>>> Well, you have not talked to any of your fellow atheists lately. > >>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter > >>>>> has > >>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry > >>>>> Potter. > >>>> Your speculations are utter rubbish... > >>> That is not speculation. ?That is what they actually said to me. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> Your idiotic posts say more about you than anything any atheist posts. > > > I said a long time ago that if atheists do not want to believe > > Hezekiah's tunnel exists, they are free to believe it does not. That > > will not change reality, but they are free to believe whatever they > > want to believe. > > The existence of Hezekiah's Tunnel is irrelevant to the veracity of the > book it is mentioned in. > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/HezekiahTunnel.jpg > > Now, can you please provide the post where an atheist said that, if > Hezekiah's Tunnel exists, than Harry Potter has to be true because the > train station in London is mentioned in Harry Potter? > No, we are going to move on. ============================ Sidestep noted. ===================== The Harry Potter books have nothing to do with the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. ============================= The biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel has nothing to do with the construction of the tunnel attributed to Hezekiah. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: rbwinn on 14 Jul 2008 23:04 On Jul 14, 2:55 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 13, 3:48 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 13, 8:43�am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:49:43 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 12, 8:25?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:20:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> A two year old is learning to lie or tell the truth. ?If a two year > >>>>>>> old sees its parents lie all the time, then the two year old is going > >>>>>>> to do the same thing. > >>>>>> Ho-kayyyy - tell us please, because we'd love to know, how a > >>>>>> two-year-old can tell its parents are lying when it does not know the > >>>>>> truth itself. Unless it's by watching the nose grow longer and longer. > >>>>> A two year old is concerned about what works. �If the two year old > >>>>> sees that lying is more effective in getting results than telling the > >>>>> truth, then that is what the two year old is going to start doing. > >>>>> Atheists generally reward untruth. > >>>> Right, now just go back and read again, a bit slower this time. How > >>>> does the two-year-old know - from the example of his elders - that > >>>> lying is more effective, when - are you still there? - he does not > >>>> yeat recognise it as lying? > >>>> Linda ff > >>>> In the beginning man created god in his own image- Hide quoted text - > >>> What you are claiming is that a two year old cannot tell if something > >>> is true or untrue.  I take the position that a two year old is just as > >>> capable of discerning as anyone, but might have more of a tendency to > >>> try to say the answer he believes his parent wants to hear. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> Is that why you believe in the Bible then? because that's what YOUR > >> parents wanted to hear?. I do feel very sorry for you.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, actually I did not start reading the Bible until I was locked > > up.  I was in jail that time.  They did not allow Bibles in the > > psychiatric ward, but by then I knew enough about it to keep out of > > the atheism. > > Yep. Generally a 'religious conversion' is the quickest way out of an > American jail. > > The quickest way out of an American jail is to ask for trial by jury. Robert B. Winn
From: Smiler on 14 Jul 2008 23:06
"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in message news:2o4n749g3edj3iesj4t0qnobql0hohl8oa(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:29:55 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > >> >>"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in message >>news:pajm74l4b646olf5e2n7vnm1nnprlb8nlk(a)4ax.com... >> >> >>> God does indeed have infinite power and wisdom. He could handle this >>> any way he chose to do. He chose to let us live as mortals and learn, >>> hands-on, about sin and rebellion. The intention is to let us learn >>> enough to assure God that we won't try to go back and explore it any >>> further, once we've been granted immortality and absolute sovereignty. >>> God is presently (by our temporal reference frame) in the process of >>> separating good from evil. Those who reject God and are not willing to >>> be with Him throughout eternity will be moved, along with all other >>> aspects of existence that are not good. This will then be separated >>> from God's domain, irreversibly. >> >>You presume that good and evil are only defined through their relationship >>to a belief in god. IOW, you claim that a non-believer's good works do >>not >>count, are meaningless. That is unacceptable, both in itself and if one >>believes in a god of perfect love. >> > Alex, I'm sincerely sorry if you've gotten this impression from what > I've posted. To clarify this a bit, let me say that "good" is defined > as that which benefits everyone involved and does no harm to anyone. > "Evil" is defined as that which may benefit the perpetrator, or at > least seem to benefit the perpetrator for the time being, but in the > final analysis it is harmful to others, and maybe even to the > perpetrator. > > Atheists and those who believe in God but decline to align with Him > can, and do indeed do good things. But, their choice Why can't you understand that there is NO CHOICE involved? If you think there is, please explain how you CHOSE to not believe in Leprechauns. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 to remain apart > from God precludes their being granted immortality in God's domain. As > to what happens to this group of people, the Bible indicates that they > will stand before God in judgment and the outcome of that judgment is > not clearly specified. One interpretation, taken from the passages > that state that God is omnipotent and God is not willing that any > should perish, indicates that some, or perhaps all of these people > will be saved. If this is so, it seems that they may be rewarded for > their good works. > > We are rewarded according to our works. "Salvation is by faith and > faith alone, lest anyone should boast," but "when the Lord returns in > all the glory of the Father, He will bring His rewards with Him and > all will be rewarded according to their works." There will be a social > gradient in Heaven. "Some who are least here on earth will be great in > Heaven and some who are great here on earth will be least in Heaven." > This obviously will be determined by their rewards for their works > done during this mortal phase of their existence. > > > Those who remain adamantly apart from God at the last judgment will be > among those that are in the domain that is to be eternally separated > from God and all that is good. The risk I perceive here is that an > anti-God mind-set that has endured throughout one's life may be hard > to give up, and there may be those who stubbornly refuse to do so, at > the last judgment. > > Gordon |