Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Antares 531 on 19 Jul 2008 15:49 On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:32:45 GMT, Linda Fox <linda.ff(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:06:04 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> >wrote: > >>On Jul 18, 4:53?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>> > The only writer of the new Testament who was a Roman citizen was Paul. >>> > ================================ >>> > All the writers were Roman citizens. >>> >>> No, only Paul. >>> ============================= >>> All of the gospels were written long after the supposed person they were >>> attributed to would have been dead. >>> Nobody knows who REALLY wrote them, but more than likely, the writers were >>> Roman. >>> >>> Smiler, >> >>No, they were written by Paul. >>Robert B. Winn > >Are you saying all four gospels were written by Paul? Even though they >conflict in many places in their accounts of certain events? > >Linda ff > http://www.carm.org/bible/biblewhen.htm
From: rbwinn on 19 Jul 2008 17:51 On Jul 18, 5:18�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:5b662486-64a5-475b-893e-61be952ea62a(a)k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 18, 12:29?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > Smiler wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:ad020ec9-a457-4dae-818d-182301ce08ba(a)m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com.... > > > On Jul 16, 12:01 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jul 14, 11:29 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>> On Jul 14, 8:01?am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>> Only an atheist would want all choices made for > > >>>>>>> them. > > >>>>>> Now there was me thinking that that was the mark of a worshipper.. > > >>>>>> It > > >>>>>> seems to me that atheists make their own choices, because they > > >>>>>> don't > > >>>>>> have decisions ready-dictated to them. > > >>>>> So you think it is a mistake to decide ahead of time not to commit > > >>>>> murder, not to steal, to attend church, not to commit adultery, etc. > > >>>> Why would you be so morally deficient so as to need to perform > > >>>> morning > > >>>> affirmations in order not to kill people? > > >>>> My moral decisions are made as the occasion demands it. Seems to work > > >>>> okay. > > >>> So are you saying that for each person you encounter, you make a > > >>> decision to kill or not to kill? > > >>> Robert B. Winn > > >> No, I'm saying exactly the opposite. I need not make that decision at > > >> all, because I'm not filled with murderous rage. > > > >> As moral decisions need to be made, I make them according to my own > > >> values.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > So you would only decide to kill someone if you were filled with > > > murderous rage. ?A lot of serial killers seem to be the same way. > > > ==================================== > > > Most of whom are 'beleivers' in one god or another. > > > We've got one on trial over here at the moment. He shot a guy, then > > tried to decapitate two women with a katana. Apparently God told him to > > do it. Hopefully the jury disagrees.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Almost every murderer today says that because they know the atheistic > court system will reward them for saying it. > ================================= > > Why would an "atheistic court system" reward someone who claimed to believe > in gods, skippy? > Lawyers reward anyone who adds to their power and financial security. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 19 Jul 2008 18:05 On Jul 19, 11:32�am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:06:04 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Jul 18, 4:53?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >> > The only writer of the new Testament who was a Roman citizen was Paul. > >> > ================================ > >> > All the writers were Roman citizens. > > >> No, only Paul. > >> ============================= > >> All of the gospels were written long after the supposed person they were > >> attributed to would have been dead. > >> Nobody knows who REALLY wrote them, but more than likely, the writers were > >> Roman. > > >> Smiler, > > >No, they were written by Paul. > >Robert B. Winn > > Are you saying all four gospels were written by Paul? Even though they > conflict in �many places in their accounts of certain events? > > Linda ff- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - No, that is wrong. Paul wrote the epistles. The gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 19 Jul 2008 18:09 On Jul 19, 12:05�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote in alt.atheism: > > >On Jul 19, 8:49�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > > ... > > > > > > >> > Any time you atheist make a statement that implies that Hezekiah's > >> > tunnel does not prove certain verses of the Old Testament correct, I > >> > am going to say that the tunnel does exist. �That way we can stay on > >> > topic for a longer time than atheists are used to staying on topic. > > >> I see. So, you're lying when you say that atheists are saying that it > >> doesn't exist. > > >> Isn't there a commandment that you're breaking here? > > >> And which atheist is saying that those verses that reference the tunnel > >> itself in the Old Testament are incorrect? �Please provide the exact quote. > > >> (...not holding my breath.) > > >> -- > >What atheists keep saying is that the books of the Old Testament which > >make reference to Hezekiah's tunnel are fictional stories about a > >tunnel which was known to exist. > > Exactly. The stories are fictional. They may be located in a real city > like Jerusalem, but the stories are made up. They are not supported by > any evidence. The tunnel, as you have repeatedly ignored, is not > evidence that the stories are true. Please, learn not to worship your > own ignorance. You make your religion look worse every time you tell > lies about the Bible.- Hide quoted text - > Well, what atheists need to learn is that their statements of today do not do away with documented history. When I first mentioned Hezekiah's tunnel, there were not even any atheists in this newsgroup who knew what it was. Now they are all claiming to be such experts that they can tell that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is wrong. Robert B. Winn
From: Free Lunch on 19 Jul 2008 18:09
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:05:48 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 19, 11:32?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:06:04 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 18, 4:53?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> > The only writer of the new Testament who was a Roman citizen was Paul. >> >> > ================================ >> >> > All the writers were Roman citizens. >> >> >> No, only Paul. >> >> ============================= >> >> All of the gospels were written long after the supposed person they were >> >> attributed to would have been dead. >> >> Nobody knows who REALLY wrote them, but more than likely, the writers were >> >> Roman. >> >> >> Smiler, >> >> >No, they were written by Paul. >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> Are you saying all four gospels were written by Paul? Even though they >> conflict in ?many places in their accounts of certain events? >> >> Linda ff- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >No, that is wrong. Paul wrote the epistles. The gospels were written >by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. No evidence supports any of those claims. |