Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Smiler on 18 Jul 2008 20:49 "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:6ec4t1F6frfdU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message > news:8a2fc30f-eb34-4431-8d4a-40d088062942(a)l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > > > > The prophecy is that almost all people will be at war in the last > days. > > ============ > > ... meaning it's typical of prophecies in general: vague to the point of > uselessness. Warfare is the natural state of interaction between human > groups -- it is peace which is aberrant and exceptional. IOW, your > prophecy can be applied to any cherry-picked period in time that you find > convenient. > > And has been so applied by some cult or other. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Free Lunch on 19 Jul 2008 19:30 On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:09:23 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 19, 12:05?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >On Jul 19, 8:49?am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Any time you atheist make a statement that implies that Hezekiah's >> >> > tunnel does not prove certain verses of the Old Testament correct, I >> >> > am going to say that the tunnel does exist. ?That way we can stay on >> >> > topic for a longer time than atheists are used to staying on topic. >> >> >> I see. So, you're lying when you say that atheists are saying that it >> >> doesn't exist. >> >> >> Isn't there a commandment that you're breaking here? >> >> >> And which atheist is saying that those verses that reference the tunnel >> >> itself in the Old Testament are incorrect? ?Please provide the exact quote. >> >> >> (...not holding my breath.) >> >> >> -- >> >What atheists keep saying is that the books of the Old Testament which >> >make reference to Hezekiah's tunnel are fictional stories about a >> >tunnel which was known to exist. >> >> Exactly. The stories are fictional. They may be located in a real city >> like Jerusalem, but the stories are made up. They are not supported by >> any evidence. The tunnel, as you have repeatedly ignored, is not >> evidence that the stories are true. Please, learn not to worship your >> own ignorance. You make your religion look worse every time you tell >> lies about the Bible.- Hide quoted text - >> >Well, what atheists need to learn is that their statements of today do >not do away with documented history. When I first mentioned >Hezekiah's tunnel, there were not even any atheists in this newsgroup >who knew what it was. Now they are all claiming to be such experts >that they can tell that the Biblical account of the construction of >Hezekiah's tunnel is wrong. >Robert B. Winn Another of Robert B Winn's trademark Pathetic Lies.
From: Free Lunch on 19 Jul 2008 19:30 On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:32:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 19, 3:09?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:05:48 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 19, 11:32?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:06:04 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >On Jul 18, 4:53?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >> > The only writer of the new Testament who was a Roman citizen was Paul. >> >> >> > ================================ >> >> >> > All the writers were Roman citizens. >> >> >> >> No, only Paul. >> >> >> ============================= >> >> >> All of the gospels were written long after the supposed person they were >> >> >> attributed to would have been dead. >> >> >> Nobody knows who REALLY wrote them, but more than likely, the writers were >> >> >> Roman. >> >> >> >> Smiler, >> >> >> >No, they were written by Paul. >> >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Are you saying all four gospels were written by Paul? Even though they >> >> conflict in ?many places in their accounts of certain events? >> >> >> Linda ff- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >No, that is wrong. ?Paul wrote the epistles. ?The gospels were written >> >by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. >> >> No evidence supports any of those claims.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, maybe you could find a book to read that interests you. If you >do not like the Bible, why don't you read some Harry Potter books like >the rest of the atheists? I want to know why you lie to me. I don't care about the Bible. I read that long ago.
From: rbwinn on 19 Jul 2008 19:59 On Jul 18, 5:46�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:de6a2c3f-ab55-434c-aa04-d37ddd084d82(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 17, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > >>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a first > > >>>>>>> for an > > >>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins > > >>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. > > >>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is > > >>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. > > >>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 > > >>>>> million people. > > >>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will > > >>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). > > >>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the > > >>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. > > >>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who > > >>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country > > >>>> that > > >>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. > > >>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that > > >>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples > > >>>> in > > >>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is > > >>>> that > > >>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to > > >>>> or > > >>>> away from religion. > > >>>> TLA > > >>> So was this John Towland an atheist? > > >> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of > > >> Hitler. > > > >>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > > >>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not > > >>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. > > >> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who > > >> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've > > >> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and > > >> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this > > >> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more. > > >> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate > > >> your humanity. > > > >> TLA- Hide quoted text - > > > > Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot were > > > both atheists. But politicians who killed large numbers of people > > > cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which > > > was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. > > > Your vitriol against atheists is kinda cute in a psycho sort of way. > > Where do I sign up for the genocides? I need to do my atheistic duty. Is > > it the same place Mormons get their brains removed?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > All you have to do is vote for your pro-abortion politicians. > ========================================== > There aren't any pro-abortion politicians. > > Smiler, > The godless one > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There aren't? What happened to them? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 19 Jul 2008 20:01
On Jul 19, 4:30�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:32:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 19, 3:09?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:05:48 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >On Jul 19, 11:32?am, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:06:04 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >On Jul 18, 4:53?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> > The only writer of the new Testament who was a Roman citizen was Paul. > >> >> >> > ================================ > >> >> >> > All the writers were Roman citizens. > > >> >> >> No, only Paul. > >> >> >> ============================= > >> >> >> All of the gospels were written long after the supposed person they were > >> >> >> attributed to would have been dead. > >> >> >> Nobody knows who REALLY wrote them, but more than likely, the writers were > >> >> >> Roman. > > >> >> >> Smiler, > > >> >> >No, they were written by Paul. > >> >> >Robert B. Winn > > >> >> Are you saying all four gospels were written by Paul? Even though they > >> >> conflict in ?many places in their accounts of certain events? > > >> >> Linda ff- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >No, that is wrong. ?Paul wrote the epistles. ?The gospels were written > >> >by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. > > >> No evidence supports any of those claims.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, maybe you could find a book to read that interests you. �If you > >do not like the Bible, why don't you read some Harry Potter books like > >the rest of the atheists? > > I want to know why you lie to me. I don't care about the Bible. I read > that long ago.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - What is actully happening is that you are lying to yourself. Robert B. Winn |