Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Antares 531 on 19 Jul 2008 09:19 On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:53:45 +0100, "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > (snip) >============================= >All of the gospels were written long after the supposed person they were >attributed to would have been dead. >Nobody knows who REALLY wrote them, but more than likely, the writers were >Roman. > >Smiler, >The godless one >a.a.# 2279 > The siege of Jerusalem occurred in 70 A.D., and the temple was destroyed, yet the gospel writers frequently mentioned the temple as though it was still there and still in service. This indicates that these writings dated to something less than 40 years after the death of Christ. Gordon http://www.carm.org/bible/biblewhen.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70)
From: Stan-O on 19 Jul 2008 09:23 On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:37:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >On Jul 18, 8:16?pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:31:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of >> >> America, the federal law of the land. >> >> >> What were you saying again? >> >> >> -- >> >During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision >> >that did not promote atheism. ?It does not matter if they all claim to >> >be religious. ?Actions speak louder than words. >> >> Wrong! They voted to leave the phrase, "under god" in the Pledge of >> Allegiance a few years back. > >That was to convince gullible people like you that they are >Christians. I guess you just contradicted yourself...
From: Antares 531 on 19 Jul 2008 09:27 On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:27:43 -0700 (PDT), hhyapster(a)gmail.com wrote: >On Jul 19, 12:13 am, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...(a)swbell.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:44:42 -0700, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) >> wrote: >> >> >rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> Well, flooding does seem possible. Ask some of the people in Cedar >> >> Rapids if they believe floods are possible. >> >> >That's adorable! The child is using "analogy" to try to prove the >> >Biblical flood really happened! That's just so damned cute! >> >> From many sources I've read over the years, there actually was a >> humongous flooding of what is now the Mediterranean basin, after the >> last ice age ended and this current interglacial warming got under >> way. The Atlantic Ocean raised to the level that overflowed what is >> now the Strait of Gibraltar. The Gibraltar dam washed out quickly and >> the ocean rushed in. Many old archeological ruins, now under water, >> are still available for study. >> >> I would speculate that the Noachian Flood was based upon the legends >> that had their roots in this Mediterranean Basin flooding. After all, >> that WAS the entire world to those people. >> >> But, in any case, the Noachian Flood should be regarded as a parable >> and the embedded meaning sorted out, separate from the literal story. >> >> Gordon > >You do see the stupidity of ancient stories, good for you, Gordon. > More specifically, I see those ancient stories as a very effective means for transmitting embedded information in a way that could/would be easily and correctly interpreted by those ancient people, most of whom had little or no reading/writing skills. Also, the embedded information could be passed from generation to generation with very little drift, and anyone, ancient or modern can interpret the embedded meaning equally well. That is, no one had any advantage due to their education or cultural background. Gordon
From: rbwinn on 19 Jul 2008 11:06 On Jul 18, 4:53�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:c69cd50d-e6be-4867-b28c-daf380e58dd5(a)x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 16, 4:58?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:f6171404-48a8-4914-bfdd-caf1ed05ecaa(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com.... > > On Jul 15, 1:18?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > > > Linda Fox wrote: > > > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:23:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> ? I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the > > > >> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's > > > >> tunnel. ?Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel > > > >> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a > > > >> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. > > > > > Not all of the OT is theology - quite a fair amount of it is standard > > > > Jewish history, whether by aural tradition or, in the later books, > > > > written. As a parallel, we don't know how much of what we have from > > > > Homer is true of Greece and Troy, since that too is based on aural > > > > tradition which means it would have been embroidered, or even > > > > falsified, along the way. My own feeling about that is that much of > > > > the dynastic detail (apart from things like Helen being born out of > > > > Leda by Zeus as a swan) is possibly more reliable because when it was > > > > being passed down that was likely to have been the only kind of > > > > chronicle they could make; just a theory, though, and I doubt we'll > > > > ever know. > > > > > Linda ff > > > > surely its oral ?- as in spoken - rather than aural, as in > > > heard..tradition..? > > > > But broadly I agree. The Bible (OT) is the history, philosophy, myhology > > > and moral codes of a bunch of desert tribes. > > > > The NT is a political document written by the romans to keep the > > > barbarians in their place. > > > > With probably as much historical acccuracy as 'Conan the Barbarian'- > > > Hide > > > quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > The only writer of the new Testament who was a Roman citizen was Paul. > > ================================ > > All the writers were Roman citizens. > > No, only Paul. > ============================= > All of the gospels were written long after the supposed person they were > attributed to would have been dead. > Nobody knows who REALLY wrote them, but more than likely, the writers were > Roman. > > Smiler, No, they were written by Paul. Robert B. Winn
From: Alex W. on 19 Jul 2008 11:04
"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in message news:vsp38455it8todv9t13olfokt9pknm4im2(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:53:45 +0100, "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> > wrote: >> > (snip) >>============================= >>All of the gospels were written long after the supposed person they were >>attributed to would have been dead. >>Nobody knows who REALLY wrote them, but more than likely, the writers were >>Roman. >> >>Smiler, >>The godless one >>a.a.# 2279 >> > The siege of Jerusalem occurred in 70 A.D., and the temple was > destroyed, yet the gospel writers frequently mentioned the temple as > though it was still there and still in service. This indicates that > these writings dated to something less than 40 years after the death > of Christ. Gordon The World Trade Center towers no longer exist, but in a biography of a New Yorker ca. 1990, I would have to write as if they still existed. Moreover, there must have been a temptation to write without reference to more recent events so as to make the gospels appear older thanm they are and thus gain more credibility. If one were to roll up fifty, seventy or a hundred years after Jesus' death and claim to have compiled an eyewitness account of his life, reasonable doubts might emerge -- and that would not have been acceptable to the cult leaders. |