Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Smiler on 18 Jul 2008 19:53 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:c69cd50d-e6be-4867-b28c-daf380e58dd5(a)x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jul 16, 4:58?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:f6171404-48a8-4914-bfdd-caf1ed05ecaa(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 15, 1:18?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > > > > > > Linda Fox wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:23:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> ? I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the > > >> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's > > >> tunnel. ?Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel > > >> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a > > >> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. > > > > Not all of the OT is theology - quite a fair amount of it is standard > > > Jewish history, whether by aural tradition or, in the later books, > > > written. As a parallel, we don't know how much of what we have from > > > Homer is true of Greece and Troy, since that too is based on aural > > > tradition which means it would have been embroidered, or even > > > falsified, along the way. My own feeling about that is that much of > > > the dynastic detail (apart from things like Helen being born out of > > > Leda by Zeus as a swan) is possibly more reliable because when it was > > > being passed down that was likely to have been the only kind of > > > chronicle they could make; just a theory, though, and I doubt we'll > > > ever know. > > > > Linda ff > > > surely its oral ?- as in spoken - rather than aural, as in > > heard..tradition..? > > > But broadly I agree. The Bible (OT) is the history, philosophy, myhology > > and moral codes of a bunch of desert tribes. > > > The NT is a political document written by the romans to keep the > > barbarians in their place. > > > With probably as much historical acccuracy as 'Conan the Barbarian'- > > Hide > > quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > The only writer of the new Testament who was a Roman citizen was Paul. > ================================ > All the writers were Roman citizens. > No, only Paul. ============================= All of the gospels were written long after the supposed person they were attributed to would have been dead. Nobody knows who REALLY wrote them, but more than likely, the writers were Roman. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 18 Jul 2008 19:55 <hhyapster(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:fcd3a721-d2af-452a-aa4e-de7a07c129b7(a)x36g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 17, 6:32 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:2c47d272-fec4-4636-bd37-2183f3f50f82(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On Jul 15, 1:53 am, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Jul 15, 4:30 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> >> >> Probably very true of rbwinn. >> >> When he told us that he is a welder, I actually wrote some real advise >> >> for him to work hard and look forward towards a retirement, instead of >> >> wasting time in the church on Sundays. Sundays pay thrice as much. >> >> However, my email could not get through>> ] >> >> > Welding is fairly easy compared to picking oranges. I should be able >> > to keep welding until I am about 97 years old. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Don't. >> People get drier and crispier as they get older. >> You are likely to catch fire if you keep welding until that age. >> >> -- >> Steve O >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> B.A.A.W.A. >> Convicted by Earthquack >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > > I believe all of us here should encourage him to see a real doctor who > is capable to repair his brain. The doctors in V.A. Hospital either do > not do a good job or they are as fed up with him as we are. > Instead of describing his condition, I believe he might be talking > nonsense to the doctor. Exactly as he does to us. No change there, then. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 18 Jul 2008 19:58 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:6ae3a081-7345-4488-8c94-ff899721b2af(a)k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jul 17, 12:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 16, 1:38?pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:42:35 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >>>>> Well, the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel was very remarkable. > >>>>> ?But > >>>>> atheists do not like seeing remards about it. ?Why is that? > >>>> I have nothing against the tunnel. No, what I dislike is your > >>>> butchery > >>>> of logic.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Well, choose for yourself what you like or dislike. ?It means nothing > >>> to me. ?If you or any other atheist decides to discuss the tunnel, > >>> come back and do it some time without trying to change the subject to > >>> Harry Potter. > >> Making a comparison between two pieces of literature is hardly > >> changing the subject. > > > So you think the Bible is like a Harry Potter book. What is the point > > of discussing it further with you then? > > Can you not defend your beliefs? If the Bible is anything like you say > it is, there shouldn't be so much far removed from reality in there. > > Flying broomsticks are more believable than a global flood.- Hide quoted > text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I am sure that flying broomsticks are believable to atheists, but that is irrelevant. The subject was the Bible, not sorcery or flying broomsticks. Atheists always want to change the subject to Harry Potter in any discussion. =========================================== Christians always want to change the subject to the bible and their god-on-a-stick in any discussion. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Stan-O on 19 Jul 2008 09:00 On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:28:11 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >On Jul 18, 7:50?pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:01:32 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Well, discuss your ideas with Mark, Matthew , Luke and John after the >> >resurrection. >> >> ...which means that you don't have an answer yourself. > >Your accusation pertains to the writers of the gospels, not to me. They are not the ones posting to this newsgroup... BTW...<THWACK!>
From: Stan-O on 19 Jul 2008 09:06
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:29:18 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >On Jul 18, 8:01?pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:55:39 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> It seems about as plausible. Now, about that flood?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >Well, flooding does seem possible. ?Ask some of the people in Cedar >> >Rapids if they believe floods are possible. >> >> Did anyone in Cedar Rapids build an ark and end up halfway around the >> world? > >Well, no, they did not have 600 years warning the way Noah did. 600 years, eh?...and you accuse atheists of believing fairy tales! |