Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: John Baker on 18 Jul 2008 18:42 On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:32:36 -0500, Antares 531 <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote: >On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:29:04 -0700 (PDT), hhyapster(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>On Jul 18, 6:03 pm, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>> rbwinn wrote: >(snip) >>> >>> Someone I deeply respect once said, "The journey of a thousand miles >>> starts with a single step." I promise you, that step is not into an abyss. >>> >>> TLA >> >>Fine piece of advise. >>However, I doubt rbwinn will go for it. >>He first of all has no capability to understand, and secondly has a >>mental problem. >>He doesn't understand that a god is a human "invention" and that the >>Jesus/god thing never ever appear in this world. The Jesus he is >>worshiping was a past human, died +2000 years ago. >> >Objective is not spiritual and spiritual is not objective. Enough >said. Which merely supports what I've contended for many years. That there is no evidence for the spiritual, therefore no reason to assume such things have any basis in reality. Enough said indeed.
From: DuhIdiot on 19 Jul 2008 00:36 DanielSan <danielsan(a)speakeasy.net> wrote in news:gJidnVeuJfJ9wBzVnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d(a)speakeasy.net: > BuddyThunder wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: <snip> >>> There is no point that I can see. He is claiming that these four >>> books prove the Bible wrong in some way. >> >> No, he's not saying that they prove it false, he's saying your >> example of the tunnel offers no support for it. That's his point. > > I think Winn knows this. I think he's purposefully being evasive in > order to not address the serious issues with his claims. > > I could be wrong, though. He could really be that stupid. Have we ruled out plain old trolling? There's a theory that he's too persistent to be a troll, but I don't know if I buy it. -- J. B. Mashburn, the sad left tail of the bell curve No SPAM in my email.
From: Steve O on 19 Jul 2008 01:01 "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote in message news:q39284pbg2msiqaeavdut1289cgq5kph5g(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:14:41 +0100, "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> > wrote: > >> >>"Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >>news:6ea404F63ha8U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> >>> "The Loan Arranger" <noone(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:5d-dnbl8Ndd98eLVRVnyvgA(a)bt.com... > (snip) >>> >>> Being natives of Palestine, it seems unlikely that Mark or Matthew had >>> been full citizens. >>> >> >>Mark, Matthew, Luke and John were not the writers of the gospels >>attributed >>to them. >>The gospels were written long after the supposed disciples would have been >>dead. >> >>Smiler, >>The godless one >>a.a.# 2279 >> > Here's a site that has a different opinion on this. I really don't > know who is right. > > http://www.carm.org/bible/biblewhen.htm > > Gordon I wouldn't be too inclined to trust data from the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Probably best to look at less biased and more reliable sources. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Ben Dolan on 19 Jul 2008 01:07 rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 18, 8:44?am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > I am doing it seriously. ?What matters are the equations, not the > > > > money. > > > > > Well okay, when you're published, let us know! > > > > You know, I've been reading Bobby's ardent defense of his "equations" > > year after year. It really is quite bizarre. > > > > This week's podcast of This American Life contains a segment which is > > eerily similar. A man, high school educated, working as an electrician, > > with no physics education concluded that "E = mc squared" was false. He > > quit his job and spent a year working on his theory, believing with > > every fiber of his being that he had found a mistake which every > > physicist (including Einstein) had missed. > > > > Of course, it turned out the guy was completely off base, making > > mistakes a first year physics student wouldn't. But when that was > > pointed out to him (for example, that the units in his calculations > > don't match), he of course refused to believe it, claiming instead that > > the physics "elite" were just out to get him. It really was sadly > > comical. > > > > One of the interesting bits that came out of the story is just how many > > crackpots like this guy are out there. Apparently it has been observed > > often enough that physicists have numerous stories of encounters with > > these nutcases, and they always follow the same pattern. They believe > > they have discovered something everyone else missed, and they completely > > block out any rebuttal or debunking of their argument. One professor > > commented that such behavior is usually associated with schizophrenia. > > > > Bobby follows this exact same pattern. > > > > And of course, schizophrenia has also long been associated with > > pathological religious beliefs, so in Bobby's case, we have a > > "twofer"... > > Well, the thing to do then, it seems to me, would be to show the > dispproof of these equations. No physicist has done it. Sorry, child. If you haven't listened to the scores of people who have clearly shown your foolishness to you, there's no chance you'll listen to it now. Of course, it is also well established that schizophrenics have a hard time recognizing their own illness, or the behaviors associated with it. So, the thing to do then, it seems to me, would be to admit that you are mentally ill, and that your so called equations are simply a manifestation of that illness. No schizophrenic has done it...
From: Ben Dolan on 19 Jul 2008 01:13
Antares 531 <gordonlrDELETE(a)swbell.net> wrote: > From many sources I've read over the years, there actually was a > humongous flooding of what is now the Mediterranean basin, after the > last ice age ended and this current interglacial warming got under > way. The Atlantic Ocean raised to the level that overflowed what is > now the Strait of Gibraltar. The Gibraltar dam washed out quickly and > the ocean rushed in. Many old archeological ruins, now under water, > are still available for study. > > I would speculate that the Noachian Flood was based upon the legends > that had their roots in this Mediterranean Basin flooding. After all, > that WAS the entire world to those people. There's no evidence to support your speculation (and certainly none to support the central thesis of the Noachian Flood fable, namely the existence of an ark). The "sources" you may be referring to regarding the Messian event typically range from crackpot science to science fiction. The chronology and timeframes are just wrong. |