Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Stan-O on 20 Jul 2008 00:36 On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:02:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> > No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >> >> > Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >> >> > He was an alcoholic. >> >> >> So, you're making things up again. >> >> >> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >> >> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >> >> >> -- >> >Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >> >taught there and became a mass murderer. >> >> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > >Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. He told the truth about that. He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it suited his purpose.
From: Stan-O on 20 Jul 2008 00:45 On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:04:11 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >Well, Stalin and other leaders of World Communism were the people who >> >initiated widespread practice of abortion in the world. ?Except for >> >Communist countries, abortion was illegal in all European governments >> >until the 1960's, when Sweden was the first western European >> >government to start government sponsored abortions. >> >Josef Stalin was the individual who initiated Roe v. Wade. >> >> Do you even know what a majority or a dissenting opinion is? Do you >> even know what "specifically authored" means. Oh, I forgot...you can >> only make up whatever fits your delusions...- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >With this particular Supreme Court, it does not really matter. There >is not really anything good there. If you want to live that delusion, feel free to do so. Just don't expect me to believe it...
From: DanielSan on 20 Jul 2008 01:08 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 19, 12:17�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> >>>> And which atheist is saying that those verses that reference the tunnel >>>> itself in the Old Testament are incorrect? �Please provide the exact quote. >>>> (...not holding my breath.) >>>> -- >>> What atheists keep saying is that the books of the Old Testament which >>> make reference to Hezekiah's tunnel are fictional stories about a >>> tunnel which was known to exist. >> Yes. �Now work it out. �Fictional stories can reference actual events, >> structures, or people. >> > Well, atheists do what they are taught to do in their religion. BZZZT! We don't have a religion. Try again. > They > claim that anything that is said in the Bible is fiction. BZZT! We don't claim that. Try again. > But they > have a problem with Hezekiah's tunnel. BZZT! No, we don't. Try again. > Why would the Jews write > fiction about a tunnel between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam? Why does anyone write fiction? > There actually is a tunnel there. Why not just say that there was a > tunnel constructed there? > What do you know? That is what they did. So? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 20 Jul 2008 01:11 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message > news:9445436b-52c9-44e7-8b37-1a8008c43c98(a)25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>> first for an >>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have >>>>>>>>>>>>> sins >>>>>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is >>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. >>>>>>>>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed >>>>>>>>>>> 12 >>>>>>>>>>> million people. >>>>>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). >>>>>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the >>>>>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. >>>>>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), >>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. >>>>>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many >>>>>>>>>> counter-examples in >>>>>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw >>>>>>>>>> is that >>>>>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be >>>>>>>>>> drawn to or >>>>>>>>>> away from religion. >>>>>>>>>> TLA >>>>>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist? >>>>>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Hitler. >>>>>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular >>>>>>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of >>>>>>>>> today. >>>>>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia >>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because >>>>>>>> they've >>>>>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably >>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to >>>>>>>> recalibrate >>>>>>>> your humanity. >>>>>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> both atheists. >>>>>> They were also both men. So what? >>>>>>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people >>>>>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which >>>>>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. >>>>>> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's >>>>>> inauguration: Approximately 9 million >>>>>> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian >>>>>> What were you saying again? >>>>>> -- >>>>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the >>>>> United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic >>>>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of >>>>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States. >>>> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: >>>> Roberts: Roman Catholic >>>> Stevens: Protestant >>>> Scalia: Roman Catholic >>>> Kennedy: Roman Catholic >>>> Souter: Episcopalian >>>> Thomas: Roman Catholic >>>> Breyer: Jewish >>>> Alito: Roman Catholic >>>> Ginsburg: Jewish >>>> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of >>>> America, the federal law of the land. >>>> What were you saying again? >>>> -- >>> During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision >>> that did not promote atheism. It does not matter if they all claim to >>> be religious. Actions speak louder than words. >> Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism". <piggybacking here to respond to Winn> > Roe v. Wade BZZT! Roe v. Wade did not promote atheism. Try again. -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 20 Jul 2008 01:12
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 18, 5:46�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:de6a2c3f-ab55-434c-aa04-d37ddd084d82(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 17, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a first >>>>>>>>>> for an >>>>>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins >>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. >>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is >>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. >>>>>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 >>>>>>>> million people. >>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will >>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). >>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the >>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. >>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who >>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. >>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that >>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> away from religion. >>>>>>> TLA >>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist? >>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of >>>>> Hitler. >>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular >>>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not >>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. >>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who >>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've >>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and >>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this >>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more. >>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate >>>>> your humanity. >>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text - >>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot were >>>> both atheists. But politicians who killed large numbers of people >>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which >>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. >>> Your vitriol against atheists is kinda cute in a psycho sort of way. >>> Where do I sign up for the genocides? I need to do my atheistic duty. Is >>> it the same place Mormons get their brains removed?- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> All you have to do is vote for your pro-abortion politicians. >> ========================================== >> There aren't any pro-abortion politicians. >> >> Smiler, >> The godless one >> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > There aren't? No. > What happened to them? Nothing. They just don't exist. -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ****************************************************** |