Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Ben Dolan on 10 Aug 2008 12:30 rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >> So, you were taught to have the God belief. > > > > > Absolutely. ?I did not know a thing when I was born. > > > > Is God-belief superior to leprechaun-belief? > > > God is real. Leprechauns are fictional. Why don't you decide for > yourself? It would be a good experience for you to make a decision > for yourself. We have made the decision for ourselves, child. We have decided your God-belief is just as silly as leprechaun-belief. God and leprechauns are simply products of human imagination, nothing more. And yes, that does make us feel superior, because we have shed the oppressive bonds of religious indoctrination and matured into adulthood. It makes us feel superior because the facts are on our side, historical, scientific, and philosophical. It makes us feel superior because we realize how precious and brief our lives are, and helps us focus on making the most of our time on earth. Look, religion preys on the weak, and apparently you don't have the strength to resist. As a result, you are not able to see the damage religious indoctrination inflicts on people young and old. We understand, really we do. You are a prisoner of your childhood, of the lies that were inflicted on you at an early age when you were not able to resist the overpowering influence of the adults in your life. So, let me turn your comment around. Why don't YOU decide for yourself? It would be a good experience for you to make a decision for yourself, not one that was made for you when you were too young to make it for yourself.
From: rbwinn on 10 Aug 2008 13:24 On Aug 10, 4:33�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:3fc941fa-d9ef-41d0-aff1-38543cd85f1c(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 10:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Aug 9, 10:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>> On Aug 9, 9:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>> On Aug 9, 8:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>>> On Aug 9, 6:23 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 5:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 15:07, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 08:10, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, he thinks that we ARE actively denying the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of the > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairies, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orcs...and any other fictional character you can > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly think of. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if atheists believe in the tooth Fairy, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leprechauns, the Easter > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, etc., here in the United > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States you are > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to have those beliefs. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did anyone say that you weren't allowed to have > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those beliefs? We > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't live in a theocracy, Winn. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> People I knew always encouraged me to have those beliefs.. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It took a > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> decisoon on my part to not have them. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Really? How did you first come to hear about God? > >> >>>>>>>>>>> As I recall, from my parents. > >> >>>>>>>>>> So, you were taught to have the God belief. > >> >>>>>>>>> Absolutely. I did not know a thing when I was born. > >> >>>>>>>> Is God-belief superior to leprechaun-belief? > >> >>>>>>> God is real. Leprechauns are fictional. Why don't you decide for > >> >>>>>>> yourself? It would be a good experience for you to make a > >> >>>>>>> decision > >> >>>>>>> for yourself. > >> >>>>>> No evidence for God or leprechauns. > >> >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you would like to > >> >>>>> have > >> >>>>> one. > >> >>>> Already got one. Read it cover to cover. > >> >>>> Still no evidence for God or leprechauns, though. > >> >>>> -- > >> >>> So how did you like the book of Isaiah? > >> >> Interesting, but I've read better books. > > >> > Isaiah is the best book in the Old Testament. > > >> Perhaps. That's you opinion, though. MY opinion is that there are > >> better books. Better than all the books in the Old and New Testaments, > >> even. > > > Well, I prefer prophecy to most of what is written today. > > Robert B. Winn > > What about modern prophecy? > > -- The instruction from the prophet today is more important to us than prophecy from ancient prophets. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 10 Aug 2008 13:25 On Aug 10, 4:56�am, Masked Avenger <cootey...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 6, 2:08 am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:9bdcfe91-2a42-4b75-8582-4f87ed8bfac3(a)79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com.... > > >> If the Bible exists, then it is evidence. So does it exist or not? > > >> ========== > > >> At best iut is hearsay. > > > No, it is not hearsay. > > Robert B. Winn > > It must be ........ because NONE of it is contemporary eyewitness > accounts ....... The first book of the New Testament wasn't written > until at least 50 years after Jesus' alleged death �...... and the > Gospels were not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke or John ........ > Similarly ... how could Genesis be an eyewitness account ?? > > it is only hearsay ...... > And you know this by being an eyewitness? How did it happen. The apostle Peter said that the apostles were eyewitnesses. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 10 Aug 2008 13:29 On Aug 10, 8:23�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 9, 10:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Aug 9, 10:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Aug 9, 9:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Aug 9, 8:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 6:23 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 5:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 15:07, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 08:10, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, he thinks that we ARE actively denying the existence of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orcs...and any other fictional character you can possibly think of. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if atheists believe in the tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, etc., here in the United States you are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to have those beliefs. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did anyone say that you weren't allowed to have those beliefs? We > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't live in a theocracy, Winn. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People I knew always encouraged me to have those beliefs. It took a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisoon on my part to not have them. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? How did you first come to hear about God? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> As I recall, from my parents. > >>>>>>>>>>>> So, you were taught to have the God belief. > >>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely. I did not know a thing when I was born. > >>>>>>>>>> Is God-belief superior to leprechaun-belief? > >>>>>>>>> God is real. Leprechauns are fictional. Why don't you decide for > >>>>>>>>> yourself? It would be a good experience for you to make a decision > >>>>>>>>> for yourself. > >>>>>>>> No evidence for God or leprechauns. > >>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you would like to have > >>>>>>> one. > >>>>>> Already got one. Read it cover to cover. > >>>>>> Still no evidence for God or leprechauns, though. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> So how did you like the book of Isaiah? > >>>> Interesting, but I've read better books. > >>> Isaiah is the best book in the Old Testament. > >> Perhaps. That's you opinion, though. MY opinion is that there are > >> better books. Better than all the books in the Old and New Testaments, > >> even. > > > Isaiah is more accurate than any book of today when it comes to > > prophecy. �It shows the key to prophecy better than any other book. > > Yes, because the "prophecies" written in the book are backdated. > Imagine this: > > I write a story today talking about the 9/11 attacks. �The story itself > is fictional (with space aliens, gremlins, and some guy named "Ash" with > a chainsaw for a hand), however, it also has the 9/11 attacks in it. �In > this story, I backdate the setting to 2000 and have the gremlins > predicting the 9/11/2001 attacks. > > Fast forward 500 years. �Researchers find my story. �Find the story is > dated in the year 2000. �Find the gremlins predicting the 9/11/2001 attacks. > > Isn't this a prophecy? > Nope. Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 10 Aug 2008 13:30
rbwinn wrote: > On Aug 10, 8:23�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 9, 10:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Aug 9, 10:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Aug 9, 9:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 8:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 6:23 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 5:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 15:07, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 08:10, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, he thinks that we ARE actively denying the existence of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orcs...and any other fictional character you can possibly think of. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if atheists believe in the tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, etc., here in the United States you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to have those beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did anyone say that you weren't allowed to have those beliefs? We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't live in a theocracy, Winn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People I knew always encouraged me to have those beliefs. It took a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisoon on my part to not have them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? How did you first come to hear about God? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I recall, from my parents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you were taught to have the God belief. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely. I did not know a thing when I was born. >>>>>>>>>>>> Is God-belief superior to leprechaun-belief? >>>>>>>>>>> God is real. Leprechauns are fictional. Why don't you decide for >>>>>>>>>>> yourself? It would be a good experience for you to make a decision >>>>>>>>>>> for yourself. >>>>>>>>>> No evidence for God or leprechauns. >>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you would like to have >>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>> Already got one. Read it cover to cover. >>>>>>>> Still no evidence for God or leprechauns, though. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> So how did you like the book of Isaiah? >>>>>> Interesting, but I've read better books. >>>>> Isaiah is the best book in the Old Testament. >>>> Perhaps. That's you opinion, though. MY opinion is that there are >>>> better books. Better than all the books in the Old and New Testaments, >>>> even. >>> Isaiah is more accurate than any book of today when it comes to >>> prophecy. �It shows the key to prophecy better than any other book. >> Yes, because the "prophecies" written in the book are backdated. >> Imagine this: >> >> I write a story today talking about the 9/11 attacks. �The story itself >> is fictional (with space aliens, gremlins, and some guy named "Ash" with >> a chainsaw for a hand), however, it also has the 9/11 attacks in it. �In >> this story, I backdate the setting to 2000 and have the gremlins >> predicting the 9/11/2001 attacks. >> >> Fast forward 500 years. �Researchers find my story. �Find the story is >> dated in the year 2000. �Find the gremlins predicting the 9/11/2001 attacks. >> >> Isn't this a prophecy? >> > Nope. Then what's the difference? -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * **************************************************** |