Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Steve O on 10 Aug 2008 17:36 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:3a8943bc-713d-4cae-b105-c63cecb0830e(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 10, 12:09�am, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> On Aug 9, 5:35�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:4f79b964-3512-4992-bc67-6b9855148eef(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... >> >> > > You think the tsunami was bad, wait until some real disasters >> > > happen. � What the book of Revelation says is that atheists will >> > > curse >> > > God and die rather than repent of their sins. >> > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > We are fully aware that Robert has mental health problems. >> > However, I have heard supposedly sane and rational people say much the >> > same >> > thing as he says above. >> > Frightening isn't it? >> > Is there any way to distinguish a normal, healthy - minded person from >> > a >> > sick one when both of them are saying more or less the same thing? >> >> > -- >> > Steve O >> > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> > B.A.A.W.A. >> > Convicted by Earthquack >> > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >> >> Steve, >> I guess they came under the same indoctrination, and therefore same >> answers. >> Its is just utterly stupid to content that god will come out to save >> human, while at the same time periodically created disasters to kill >> the innocent people. >> It defies logic and make these loons stupidier than we can imagine. >> Sad as we see ancient tales can still con our digital people in the >> modern age.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Almost all of these disasters can be predicted if people take the time > and effort to study the situation. > Robert B. Winn You really didn't follow what hhyaps was saying at all, did you? He made a very valid point- I'll simplify it for you. He was saying it was lunacy to believe that there was a God, who on one hand was there to save humans from harm, whilst at the same time destroying them with tsunamis. This has nothing to do with predicting disasters which is what you were babbling on about. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: rbwinn on 10 Aug 2008 17:45 On Aug 10, 9:30�am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > Winn refuses to ever understand anyone who criticizes him. > > > Scientists and atheists refuse to understand any criticism of Albert > > Einstien's theory of relativity. > > That's so adorable, child! You really think your toy equations are > "criticism"? You apparently don't understand that to rise to the level > of criticism, it has to make sense first. Otherwise it carries about as > much weight as a six year old child throwing a temper tantrum. Oh, well, enlighten us with the mistakes you have found, Ben. x'=x-vt y'=y z'=z t'=t w=velocity of light x=wt x'=wn' x'=x-vt wn'=wt-vt n'=t(1-v/w) Don't be shy, just show us the mistakes. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 10 Aug 2008 17:55 On Aug 10, 10:30�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 10, 8:23 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Aug 9, 10:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Aug 9, 10:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Aug 9, 9:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 8:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 6:23 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 5:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 15:07, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 08:10, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, he thinks that we ARE actively denying the existence of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orcs...and any other fictional character you can possibly think of. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if atheists believe in the tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, etc., here in the United States you are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to have those beliefs. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did anyone say that you weren't allowed to have those beliefs? We > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't live in a theocracy, Winn. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People I knew always encouraged me to have those beliefs. It took a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisoon on my part to not have them. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? How did you first come to hear about God? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I recall, from my parents. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you were taught to have the God belief. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely. I did not know a thing when I was born. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Is God-belief superior to leprechaun-belief? > >>>>>>>>>>> God is real. Leprechauns are fictional. Why don't you decide for > >>>>>>>>>>> yourself? It would be a good experience for you to make a decision > >>>>>>>>>>> for yourself. > >>>>>>>>>> No evidence for God or leprechauns. > >>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you would like to have > >>>>>>>>> one. > >>>>>>>> Already got one. Read it cover to cover. > >>>>>>>> Still no evidence for God or leprechauns, though. > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> So how did you like the book of Isaiah? > >>>>>> Interesting, but I've read better books. > >>>>> Isaiah is the best book in the Old Testament. > >>>> Perhaps. That's you opinion, though. MY opinion is that there are > >>>> better books. Better than all the books in the Old and New Testaments, > >>>> even. > >>> Isaiah is more accurate than any book of today when it comes to > >>> prophecy. It shows the key to prophecy better than any other book. > >> Yes, because the "prophecies" written in the book are backdated. > >> Imagine this: > > >> I write a story today talking about the 9/11 attacks. The story itself > >> is fictional (with space aliens, gremlins, and some guy named "Ash" with > >> a chainsaw for a hand), however, it also has the 9/11 attacks in it. In > >> this story, I backdate the setting to 2000 and have the gremlins > >> predicting the 9/11/2001 attacks. > > >> Fast forward 500 years. Researchers find my story. Find the story is > >> dated in the year 2000. Find the gremlins predicting the 9/11/2001 attacks. > > >> Isn't this a prophecy? > > > �Nope. > > Then what's the difference? > You have Harry Potter confused with prophecy. Isaiah was writing about things he foresaw that would happen. Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 10 Aug 2008 17:59 rbwinn wrote: > On Aug 10, 9:30�am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>> Winn refuses to ever understand anyone who criticizes him. >>> Scientists and atheists refuse to understand any criticism of Albert >>> Einstien's theory of relativity. >> That's so adorable, child! You really think your toy equations are >> "criticism"? You apparently don't understand that to rise to the level >> of criticism, it has to make sense first. Otherwise it carries about as >> much weight as a six year old child throwing a temper tantrum. > > Oh, well, enlighten us with the mistakes you have found, Ben. > > x'=x-vt > y'=y > z'=z > t'=t > > w=velocity of light > x=wt > x'=wn' > > x'=x-vt > wn'=wt-vt > > n'=t(1-v/w) > > Don't be shy, just show us the mistakes. Numbnuts. It's broken in the first line! You're trying to measure from the point of origin to the front of the traveling object! Yes, that's going to be longer than if you have a moving point of origin. -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: DanielSan on 10 Aug 2008 18:00
rbwinn wrote: > On Aug 10, 10:30�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 10, 8:23 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Aug 9, 10:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Aug 9, 10:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 9:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 8:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 6:23 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 5:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 15:07, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 08:10, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, he thinks that we ARE actively denying the existence of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orcs...and any other fictional character you can possibly think of. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if atheists believe in the tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, etc., here in the United States you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to have those beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did anyone say that you weren't allowed to have those beliefs? We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't live in a theocracy, Winn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People I knew always encouraged me to have those beliefs. It took a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisoon on my part to not have them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? How did you first come to hear about God? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I recall, from my parents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you were taught to have the God belief. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely. I did not know a thing when I was born. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is God-belief superior to leprechaun-belief? >>>>>>>>>>>>> God is real. Leprechauns are fictional. Why don't you decide for >>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself? It would be a good experience for you to make a decision >>>>>>>>>>>>> for yourself. >>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence for God or leprechauns. >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you would like to have >>>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>> Already got one. Read it cover to cover. >>>>>>>>>> Still no evidence for God or leprechauns, though. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> So how did you like the book of Isaiah? >>>>>>>> Interesting, but I've read better books. >>>>>>> Isaiah is the best book in the Old Testament. >>>>>> Perhaps. That's you opinion, though. MY opinion is that there are >>>>>> better books. Better than all the books in the Old and New Testaments, >>>>>> even. >>>>> Isaiah is more accurate than any book of today when it comes to >>>>> prophecy. It shows the key to prophecy better than any other book. >>>> Yes, because the "prophecies" written in the book are backdated. >>>> Imagine this: >>>> I write a story today talking about the 9/11 attacks. The story itself >>>> is fictional (with space aliens, gremlins, and some guy named "Ash" with >>>> a chainsaw for a hand), however, it also has the 9/11 attacks in it. In >>>> this story, I backdate the setting to 2000 and have the gremlins >>>> predicting the 9/11/2001 attacks. >>>> Fast forward 500 years. Researchers find my story. Find the story is >>>> dated in the year 2000. Find the gremlins predicting the 9/11/2001 attacks. >>>> Isn't this a prophecy? >>> �Nope. >> Then what's the difference? >> > You have Harry Potter confused with prophecy. Isaiah was writing > about things he foresaw that would happen. Prove it. -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * **************************************************** |