Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 10 Aug 2008 09:20 On Aug 9, 11:36�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 9, 10:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Aug 9, 10:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Aug 9, 9:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Aug 9, 8:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 6:23 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 5:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 15:07, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 08:10, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, he thinks that we ARE actively denying the existence of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orcs...and any other fictional character you can possibly think of. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if atheists believe in the tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, etc., here in the United States you are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to have those beliefs. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did anyone say that you weren't allowed to have those beliefs? We > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't live in a theocracy, Winn. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People I knew always encouraged me to have those beliefs. It took a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisoon on my part to not have them. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? How did you first come to hear about God? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> As I recall, from my parents. > >>>>>>>>>>>> So, you were taught to have the God belief. > >>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely. I did not know a thing when I was born. > >>>>>>>>>> Is God-belief superior to leprechaun-belief? > >>>>>>>>> God is real. Leprechauns are fictional. Why don't you decide for > >>>>>>>>> yourself? It would be a good experience for you to make a decision > >>>>>>>>> for yourself. > >>>>>>>> No evidence for God or leprechauns. > >>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you would like to have > >>>>>>> one. > >>>>>> Already got one. Read it cover to cover. > >>>>>> Still no evidence for God or leprechauns, though. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> So how did you like the book of Isaiah? > >>>> Interesting, but I've read better books. > >>> Isaiah is the best book in the Old Testament. > >> Perhaps. That's you opinion, though. MY opinion is that there are > >> better books. Better than all the books in the Old and New Testaments, > >> even. > > > Well, I prefer prophecy to most of what is written today. > > It's not so much prophecy as fiction retconned as prophecy. > No, Isaiah had it just right. Anyway, what is there in the book of Isaiah that you claim is fiction? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 10 Aug 2008 09:35 On Aug 10, 12:09�am, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Aug 9, 5:35�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:4f79b964-3512-4992-bc67-6b9855148eef(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... > > > > You think the tsunami was bad, wait until some real disasters > > > happen. � What the book of Revelation says is that atheists will curse > > > God and die rather than repent of their sins. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > We are fully aware that Robert has mental health problems. > > However, I have heard supposedly sane and rational people say much the same > > thing as he says above. > > Frightening isn't it? > > Is there any way to distinguish a normal, healthy - minded person from a > > sick one when both of them are saying more or less the same thing? > > > -- > > Steve O > > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > > B.A.A.W.A. > > Convicted by Earthquack > > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > > Steve, > I guess they came under the same indoctrination, and therefore same > answers. > Its is just utterly stupid to content that god will come out to save > human, while at the same time periodically created disasters to kill > the innocent people. > It defies logic and make these loons stupidier than we can imagine. > Sad as we see ancient tales can still con our digital people in the > modern age.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Almost all of these disasters can be predicted if people take the time and effort to study the situation. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 10 Aug 2008 09:37 On Aug 10, 12:21�am, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Aug 10, 1:02�am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > On 8 Aug, 07:12, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > Well, what I would say to you atheists is, show that you are really > > > > > serious about what you say. ?Go to the court where you live and > > > > > petition for the institutionalization of a person believed to be > > > > > insane. ?Otherwise you are just like any other atheist. ?You talk > > > > > quite a bit but never do anything. > > > > > Sounds to me like a cry for help... > > > > > But then again, you have more experience in this area, so I defer to > > > > your, shall we say, "greater knowledge" about matters of involuntary > > > > committment. > > > > Well, I just hate to see people talking and not doing anything, Ben. > > > And what is it, then, that you are "doing", child? > > > > If you really believe something, you should be willing to do > > > something. > > > We don't live in the same state, much less the same community. So while > > I'd like to help you back into a mental institution, I'm afraid you'll > > have to find your own way. > > > Perhaps if you tell us your address in Arizona, someone here is close > > enough to help you.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > No, Ben. > If we were to try to help and meet up with police party, they could > put us into mental hospital as well. > They have the record of winn.- Hide quoted text - > I live in Maricopa, Arizona. Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 10 Aug 2008 11:23 rbwinn wrote: > On Aug 9, 10:47�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 9, 10:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Aug 9, 9:04 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Aug 9, 8:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 6:23 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 5:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 15:07, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Aug, 08:10, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, he thinks that we ARE actively denying the existence of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orcs...and any other fictional character you can possibly think of. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if atheists believe in the tooth Fairy, leprechauns, the Easter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunny, Santa Claus, fairies, etc., here in the United States you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to have those beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did anyone say that you weren't allowed to have those beliefs? We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't live in a theocracy, Winn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People I knew always encouraged me to have those beliefs. It took a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisoon on my part to not have them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? How did you first come to hear about God? >>>>>>>>>>>>> As I recall, from my parents. >>>>>>>>>>>> So, you were taught to have the God belief. >>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely. I did not know a thing when I was born. >>>>>>>>>> Is God-belief superior to leprechaun-belief? >>>>>>>>> God is real. Leprechauns are fictional. Why don't you decide for >>>>>>>>> yourself? It would be a good experience for you to make a decision >>>>>>>>> for yourself. >>>>>>>> No evidence for God or leprechauns. >>>>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you would like to have >>>>>>> one. >>>>>> Already got one. Read it cover to cover. >>>>>> Still no evidence for God or leprechauns, though. >>>>>> -- >>>>> So how did you like the book of Isaiah? >>>> Interesting, but I've read better books. >>> Isaiah is the best book in the Old Testament. >> Perhaps. �That's you opinion, though. �MY opinion is that there are >> better books. �Better than all the books in the Old and New Testaments, >> even. >> > Isaiah is more accurate than any book of today when it comes to > prophecy. It shows the key to prophecy better than any other book. Yes, because the "prophecies" written in the book are backdated. Imagine this: I write a story today talking about the 9/11 attacks. The story itself is fictional (with space aliens, gremlins, and some guy named "Ash" with a chainsaw for a hand), however, it also has the 9/11 attacks in it. In this story, I backdate the setting to 2000 and have the gremlins predicting the 9/11/2001 attacks. Fast forward 500 years. Researchers find my story. Find the story is dated in the year 2000. Find the gremlins predicting the 9/11/2001 attacks. Isn't this a prophecy? -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
From: Ben Dolan on 10 Aug 2008 12:30
rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: > Jesus had a human step-father named Joseph. His Father was God. That's so adorable, child! You think we care about your little make believe genealogy which includes supernatural daddies? You think it is worth discussing among adults, that we're interested in your Ken and Barbie pretend world? |