Five Small Problems with AGW science.
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From: Marvin the Martian on 21 Feb 2010 11:03 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:29:12 -0600, Bill Ward wrote: > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:21:30 +0100, Roving rabbit wrote: > >> Bill Ward wrote: >>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:12:58 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:14:48 +0100, Roving rabbit wrote: >>>> >>>>> Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>>>> Scientific experts like Al Gore and Barack Obama assure us that the >>>>>> science of AGW is settled; and it is except for a few minor >>>>>> details, those details being: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) There isn't any warming. Even Jones admits this. >>>>> Lie #1 >>>>> >>>>>> 2) CO2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect. Water vapor does. >>>>> Lie #2 >>>>> >>>>>> 3) We didn't put the CO2 into the atmosphere. A warmer ocean did >>>>>> that. >>>>> Lie #3 >>>>> >>>>>> 4) AGW science isn't science, it's bullshit and leftist propaganda. >>>>> Lie #4 >>>>> >>>>>> 5) If there was warming, it wouldn't be bad, it would be good. >>>>> Lie #5 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Gawd, Humans are a gullible species. I can't believe you fell for >>>>>> AGW. >>>>> Check that iphone app from www.skepticalscience.com, I love it. >>>>> >>>>> Q >>>> The "iPhone app" is still using Jones lies. Even Jones now admits >>>> that there has been no warming since 1995. So, your "app" is just >>>> stupid propaganda that made a fool out of you. >>> >>> It was apparently written by Lloyd Parker. >> >> I see how frustrated you are, but the whole world can now see on their >> iPhone that you are dead wrong. I love this app. > > Wow. I'm convinced. If it's on an iphone app, it must be true. > > That trumps basic physics every time. Yes, you betcha!! Just because they would lie in the journals, lie in the IPCC reports, lie in the press, lie in the movies, lie in the Nobel Prize, lie in the University classrooms, and lie on the web doesn't mean they can lie on an Apple iPhone app!!
From: Sam Wormley on 21 Feb 2010 11:10 On 2/21/10 1:17 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: > > > 1) We didn't create the increase in carbon dioxide. The warmer oceans did > that. Marvin, read sections B2, C2 > 2) CO2 didn't cause the warming. Solar cycles caused changes on solar > wind which changed the flux of cosmic rays reaching the lower atmosphere. Marvin, read sections B2, B3, B4, C2 > Cosmic rays cause cloud formations, and that leads to climate change. > Svensmark predicted the recent cooling trend 10 years ago, and his theory > is consistent with the last 4.5 billion years of data. The AGW hypothesis > couldn't even predict the last decade. This Document was written specifically for the like of you Marvin that cling to gross misunderstandings! > http://www.swissre.com/resources/2225fb0040c36b1fa49cbfb02e99dba1-Factsheet_Climate_sceptic.pdf A) Global warming: • Al Global temperature cannot be calculated because of unreliable measurements • A2 Global warming is an artifact of the Urban Heat Island effect • A3 The most important argument of IPCC (Mann et al "hockey stick" curve) has proved to be incorrect • A4 Satellite data show no warming of the troposphere In contrast to model predictions • A5 Sea level isn't rising everywhere • A6 There is no apparent Increase of extreme events • A7 In earlier times the climate was much warmer than today B) Forcing factors: • B1 Other factors have potent ally caused the present warming • B2 Water vapour is the most important greenhouse gas, CO2 is unimportant • B3 Climate change is driven by the sun • B4 Climate change is driven by cosmic rays • B5 Anthropogenic CO2 emissions are much smaller than natural CO2 emissions • B6 Volcanoes emit more greenhouse gases than human activities • B7 There was global cooling between 1940 and 1970 although CO2 concentration increased C) Carbon dioxide (CO2) • Cl CO2 measurements In Ice cores are not reliable • C2 CO2 increase is just the result of temperature change • C3 CO2 is just a fertilizer for plants and therefore positive • C4 The observed increase in CO2 IS much smaller than assumed In climate models • C5 The greenhouse effect of CO2 is small because CO2 absorption bands are saturated > http://www.swissre.com/resources/2225fb0040c36b1fa49cbfb02e99dba1-Factsheet_Climate_sceptic.pdf
From: Sam Wormley on 21 Feb 2010 11:14 On 2/21/10 9:51 AM, Last Post wrote: > � The issue is really irrelevant. > Nobody can control the wind > Nobody can control the rain or snow > Nobody (collectively) can control climate. > Global temps are within natural variations > Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation > Get used to it!! Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of Earth's near-surface air and oceans since the mid-20th century and its projected continuation. Global surface temperature increased 0.74 � 0.18 �C (1.33 � 0.32 �F) between the start and the end of the 20th century. > RealClimate is a commentary site on climate science by working climate scientists > http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/ > > Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases > http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/scientific_evidence.htm > > The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect > http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm > > Global Warming (Overview from Wikipedia) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming > > NOAA Climate Monitoring > http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/index.php > > Human contributed increase in green house gas CO2 > http://www.globalchange.gov/HighResImages/1-Global-pg-13.jpg > http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106 > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091023163513.htm > > Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase > http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trends.gif > > And accompanying Sea Level Rise > http://www.wildwildweather.com/forecastblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/700px-recent_sea_level_rise.png
From: Sam Wormley on 21 Feb 2010 11:20 On 2/21/10 10:03 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: > Just because they would lie in the journals, lie in the IPCC reports, lie > in the press, lie in the movies, lie in the Nobel Prize, lie in the > University classrooms, and lie on the web doesn't mean they can lie on an > Apple iPhone app!! See Section A3, Marvin > http://www.swissre.com/resources/2225fb0040c36b1fa49cbfb02e99dba1-Factsheet_Climate_sceptic.pdf A) Global warming: • Al Global temperature cannot be calculated because of unreliable measurements • A2 Global warming is an artifact of the Urban Heat Island effect • A3 The most important argument of IPCC (Mann et al "hockey stick" curve) has proved to be incorrect • A4 Satellite data show no warming of the troposphere In contrast to model predictions • A5 Sea level isn't rising everywhere • A6 There is no apparent Increase of extreme events • A7 In earlier times the climate was much warmer than today B) Forcing factors: • B1 Other factors have potent ally caused the present warming • B2 Water vapour is the most important greenhouse gas, CO2 is unimportant • B3 Climate change is driven by the sun • B4 Climate change is driven by cosmic rays • B5 Anthropogenic CO2 emissions are much smaller than natural CO2 emissions • B6 Volcanoes emit more greenhouse gases than human activities • B7 There was global cooling between 1940 and 1970 although CO2 concentration increased C) Carbon dioxide (CO2) • Cl CO2 measurements In Ice cores are not reliable • C2 CO2 increase is just the result of temperature change • C3 CO2 is just a fertilizer for plants and therefore positive • C4 The observed increase in CO2 IS much smaller than assumed In climate models • C5 The greenhouse effect of CO2 is small because CO2 absorption bands are saturated > http://www.swissre.com/resources/2225fb0040c36b1fa49cbfb02e99dba1-Factsheet_Climate_sceptic.pdf
From: Chris L Peterson on 21 Feb 2010 11:31
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:10:13 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Marvin, read sections B2, B3, B4, C2... Sam- You're arguing science with somebody who calls himself Marvin the Martian, is obviously ignorant about what science is and has no knowledge of climate science specifically, and is uninterested in learning (or incapable). What do you hope to accomplish? _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |