Five Small Problems with AGW science.
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From: Bill Ward on 21 Feb 2010 10:29 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:21:30 +0100, Roving rabbit wrote: > Bill Ward wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:12:58 -0600, Marvin the Martian wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:14:48 +0100, Roving rabbit wrote: >>> >>>> Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>>> Scientific experts like Al Gore and Barack Obama assure us that the >>>>> science of AGW is settled; and it is except for a few minor details, >>>>> those details being: >>>>> >>>>> 1) There isn't any warming. Even Jones admits this. >>>> Lie #1 >>>> >>>>> 2) CO2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect. Water vapor does. >>>> Lie #2 >>>> >>>>> 3) We didn't put the CO2 into the atmosphere. A warmer ocean did >>>>> that. >>>> Lie #3 >>>> >>>>> 4) AGW science isn't science, it's bullshit and leftist propaganda. >>>> Lie #4 >>>> >>>>> 5) If there was warming, it wouldn't be bad, it would be good. >>>> Lie #5 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Gawd, Humans are a gullible species. I can't believe you fell for >>>>> AGW. >>>> Check that iphone app from www.skepticalscience.com, I love it. >>>> >>>> Q >>> The "iPhone app" is still using Jones lies. Even Jones now admits that >>> there has been no warming since 1995. So, your "app" is just stupid >>> propaganda that made a fool out of you. >> >> It was apparently written by Lloyd Parker. > > I see how frustrated you are, but the whole world can now see on their > iPhone that you are dead wrong. I love this app. Wow. I'm convinced. If it's on an iphone app, it must be true. That trumps basic physics every time. > > Q
From: Sam Wormley on 21 Feb 2010 10:32 On 2/21/10 1:29 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:34:52 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: > >> On 2/20/10 1:30 PM, Last Post wrote: >>> Then where is it [proof of global warming]? >>> >>> >> Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of Earth's >> near-surface air and oceans since the mid-20th century and its projected >> continuation. Global surface temperature increased 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 >> ± 0.32 °F) between the start and the end of the 20th century. >> >>> RealClimate is a commentary site on climate science by working climate >>> scientists >>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/ > > Damn it, Wormley. Realclimate.org is Mann's website. He's the idiot who > fabricated the infamous "hockey stick" lie and told everyone that we'd be > fried by now unless we packed up all our money in suitcases and sent it > to the chinese. You best rethink your assertions, Marvin! See section A3 > http://www.swissre.com/resources/2225fb0040c36b1fa49cbfb02e99dba1-Factsheet_Climate_sceptic.pdf A) Global warming: • Al Global temperature cannot be calculated because of unreliable measurements • A2 Global warming is an artifact of the Urban Heat Island effect • A3 The most important argument of IPCC (Mann et al "hockey stick" curve) has proved to be incorrect • A4 Satellite data show no warming of the troposphere In contrast to model predictions • A5 Sea level isn't rising everywhere • A6 There Is no apparent Increase of extreme events • A7 In earlier times the climate was much warmer than today B) Forcing factors: • B1 Other factors have potent ally caused the present warming • B2 Water vapour is the most important greenhouse gas, CO2 is unimportant • B3 Climate change is driven by the sun • B4 Climate change is driven by cosmic rays • 05 Anthropogenic CO, emissions are much smaller than natural CO2 emissions • B6 Volcanoes emit more greenhouse gases than human activities • B7 There was global cooling between 1940 and 1970 although CO2 concentration increased C) Carbon dioxide (CO2) • Cl CO2 measurements In Ice cores are not reliable • C2 CO2 increase is just the result of temperature change • C3 CO2 is just a fertilizer for plants and therefore positive • C4 The observed increase in CO, IS much smaller than assumed In climate models • C5 The greenhouse effect of CO, is small because CO, absorption bands are saturated > http://www.swissre.com/resources/2225fb0040c36b1fa49cbfb02e99dba1-Factsheet_Climate_sceptic.pdf
From: Sam Wormley on 21 Feb 2010 10:38 On 2/21/10 8:26 AM, David Staup wrote: > "Sam Wormley"<swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> Did you know that climatologist use 30-year trends, Marvin? > > SO WHAT? lets restate the question as follows' > > have the temperatures since 1995 followed the trend "established" prior to > 1995 or more importantly have they followed the predictions of the model. > Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trends.gif
From: Last Post on 21 Feb 2010 10:51 On Feb 21, 10:38 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2/21/10 8:26 AM, David Staup wrote: > > > "Sam Wormley"<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >> Did you know that climatologist use 30-year trends, Marvin? > > > SO WHAT? lets restate the question as follows' > > > have the temperatures since 1995 followed the trend "established" prior to > > 1995 or more importantly have they followed the predictions of the model. > > Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase > > http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trend... ø Pew Research = Sun Oil Co (Sunoco) ø The issue is really irrelevant. Nobody can control the wind Nobody can control the rain or snow Nobody (collectively) can control climate. Global temps are within natural variations Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation Get used to it!! | In real science the burden of proof is always | on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far | neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one | iota of valid data for global warming nor have | they provided data that climate change is being | effected by commerce and industry, and not by | natural phenomena
From: Sam Wormley on 21 Feb 2010 11:02
Bill, do yourself a favor and read (and follow the references) > http://www.swissre.com/resources/2225fb0040c36b1fa49cbfb02e99dba1-Factsheet_Climate_sceptic.pdf A) Global warming: • Al Global temperature cannot be calculated because of unreliable measurements • A2 Global warming is an artifact of the Urban Heat Island effect • A3 The most important argument of IPCC (Mann et al "hockey stick" curve) has proved to be incorrect • A4 Satellite data show no warming of the troposphere In contrast to model predictions • A5 Sea level isn't rising everywhere • A6 There Is no apparent Increase of extreme events • A7 In earlier times the climate was much warmer than today B) Forcing factors: • B1 Other factors have potent ally caused the present warming • B2 Water vapour is the most important greenhouse gas, CO2 is unimportant • B3 Climate change is driven by the sun • B4 Climate change is driven by cosmic rays • 05 Anthropogenic CO, emissions are much smaller than natural CO2 emissions • B6 Volcanoes emit more greenhouse gases than human activities • B7 There was global cooling between 1940 and 1970 although CO2 concentration increased C) Carbon dioxide (CO2) • Cl CO2 measurements In Ice cores are not reliable • C2 CO2 increase is just the result of temperature change • C3 CO2 is just a fertilizer for plants and therefore positive • C4 The observed increase in CO, IS much smaller than assumed In climate models • C5 The greenhouse effect of CO, is small because CO, absorption bands are saturated > http://www.swissre.com/resources/2225fb0040c36b1fa49cbfb02e99dba1-Factsheet_Climate_sceptic.pdf |