Fresh Debian Install w/o Exim?
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From: Carlos Williams on 2 Mar 2010 10:30 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <bss(a)iguanasuicide.net> wrote: > It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages. Â It is the > difference between removed and purged. Â Confiles -- files where changes by the > local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after removal. > While this category covers files that are just configuration, it also covers > init scripts and cron jobs. Â Confiles are not deleted when the program is > removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a temporary > removal (required for some complex upgrades). Â Confiles are deleted when the > package is purged. I thought I was purging the package, no? #apt-get remove --purge exim4 > Files that are created by the program at run-time, like logs, databases, and > documents aren't tracked by the package management system, so they must be > deleted manually if you want to get rid of them. Makes sense. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d80f793f1003020728q1c15a3bt33e7e780b3dc16c7(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. on 2 Mar 2010 10:30 In <4B8CC633.7090609(a)hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 3/2/2010 1:21 AM: >> In <4B8C7C66.6070109(a)hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >>>>> it auto removes Exim4 however still leaves all the >>>>> orphaned files and junk.* >>>> >>>> I'm not convinced this is a statement of fact, but depending on how the >>>> installer does things it could be accurate. >>> >>> I don't recall doing any manual removal of Exim. I've upgraded >>> the system in place all the way to Lenny, over a 4 year period. >> >> Most of those should be cleaned up by a purge of all the exim packages. >> In particular all the init scripts, the dpkg data, and probably the cron >> jobs. > >This is probably a result of me installing postfix without uninstalling exim >first. It's surprising that the apt scripts that installed postfix and >removed exim left all this other stuff which can't possibly work now without >that exim binary being present. It's nothing to do with the order your installed packages. It is the difference between removed and purged. Confiles -- files where changes by the local administrator are preserved when upgrading -- are kept after removal. While this category covers files that are just configuration, it also covers init scripts and cron jobs. Confiles are not deleted when the program is removed -- so the configuration is preserved if this is just a temporary removal (required for some complex upgrades). Confiles are deleted when the package is purged. Files that are created by the program at run-time, like logs, databases, and documents aren't tracked by the package management system, so they must be deleted manually if you want to get rid of them. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss(a)iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
From: Stephen Powell on 2 Mar 2010 10:30 On Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:54:51 -0500 (EST), Carlos Williams wrote: > > If you remove Exim manually using apt-get --purge exim4 or if you > install an alternative MTA and the package manager uninstalls Exim, > either way you're left with this much mess & that doesn't include the > user accounts and groups: > > root(a)mail:~# locate exim > /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base > /etc/default/exim4 > /etc/init.d/exim4 > /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base > /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-paniclog > /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim4 > /etc/rc0.d/K01exim4 > /etc/rc1.d/K01exim4 > /etc/rc2.d/S02exim4 > /etc/rc3.d/S02exim4 > /etc/rc4.d/S02exim4 > /etc/rc5.d/S02exim4 > /etc/rc6.d/K01exim4 > /usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/exim.vim > /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.71-3_amd64.deb > /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config_4.71-3_all.deb > /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-daemon-light_4.71-3_amd64.deb > /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4_4.71-3_all.deb > /var/lib/exim4 > /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.list > /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-base.postrm > /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.list > /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.postrm > /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.list > /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-daemon-light.postrm > /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.list > /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4.postrm > /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated > /var/lib/update-rc.d/exim4 > /var/log/exim4 > /var/log/exim4/mainlog > /var/run/exim4 Is the exim4 daemon still running? Try this (as root): # /etc/init.d/exim4 stop # aptitude purge exim4 Maybe there are files that can't be purged if the daemon is still running. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/957472268.16148721267543703196.JavaMail.root(a)md01.wow.synacor.com
From: Lisi on 2 Mar 2010 10:40 On Tuesday 02 March 2010 13:17:27 Carlos Williams wrote: > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > type > > aptitude install nullmailer > > in a root konsole. Â Press <enter>. > > Lisi > > Yes I understand now but as I stated before that installing Postfix, > Sendmail, or any other alternative MTA has no impact on the real > problem at hand. What ever MTA you choose to install, APT auto removes > Exim but leaves tons of files and directories behind. For some this is > no big deal but when you're an OCD Linux administrator, any rogue or > orphaned files like this drive you crazy. > > If you did any kind of install, Exim is installed and when you attempt > to install any alternative MTA, APT will auto remove Exim but leaves > you with clutter. Also if you decide to 1st manually remove Exim from > Debian using the '--purge' option, it still leaves behind all this > mess. You could always reinstall choosing the most basic system, than carefully choose only the applications you actually want ands install them one by one. And you could do aptitude -s before actually installing anything, so things won't get pulled in that you would rather not have! You ought then to be able to have a system pure/clean enough to gladden the heart of the most C of OCD Linux administrators. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003021539.00904.lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com
From: Eric Gerlach on 2 Mar 2010 11:10
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:59:23PM -0500, Carlos Williams wrote: > I am trying to install Debian (Testing) via 'netinst' disk and for > some reason am completely unable to install Debian w/o Exim. It > appears that Cron is a default package and depends on Exim. Does > anyone know how I can completely omit this from a fresh Debian > install? When I run: It's been a while since I've used the installer (I preseed my installations at the office), but isn't there a point in expert mode where you can select individual packages? Could you select 'postfix' and unselect 'exim4' at that point? Or is that after the base system install? Cheers, -- Eric Gerlach, Network Administrator Federation of Students University of Waterloo p: (519) 888-4567 x36329 e: egerlach(a)feds.uwaterloo.ca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100302154115.GR24986(a)wks0082 |