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From: Dotan Cohen on 10 May 2010 02:40 On 9 May 2010 17:00, Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I do *not* ask otherwise and Dotan has been sending long, rude, unpleasant > emails direct to me. What "long, rude, unpleasant emails" have I sent to you? Go ahead, post everything that I've ever sent to you here. I've sent mails only as long as the demands of your comments have warranted, filled only with questions about what is broken for you in KDE 4 and links to bugs on those very subjects. Rude or unpleasant? I think that you have me mistaken. I'll give to you the benefit of the doubt, publish something that you think I wrote to you which is rude or unpleasant. >Â That is what I am complaining about. Â As I said above, > *I* have been getting them from Dotan, as you correctly state: Â "*Lisi* > shreef ..... *I* have been getting them." Â According to list policy I should > not be getting them. Â In addition, the last one was sent to the KDE list (to > which I do not subscribe) and not to this, which is the list with the thread. > > Perhaps you should read Dotan's last two emails to me (especially the last > one) before complaining about my complaint. > Which messages exactly? "last two" is hard to identify given the dynamic nature of this list. > And my crime?? Â For which you too clearly feel that I should be subjected to > the unpleasant bullying in emails direct to me? Â I use KDE 3, but do not > intend to use KDE 4. > All I did was ask about what issues you have with KDE 4 so that I might fix them. You don't have to appreciate that, but I do not expect you to turn it around and call that "rude and unpleasant". Maybe you don't like KDE contributors taking an interest in your problems with the software. Many other people do. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTinLpz0dvlENuaBxlQgdBfihk334dDbyiwkD4hcx(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Lisi on 10 May 2010 02:50 On Monday 10 May 2010 07:25:42 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > :-) Â Well said! Â And is there not a list rule that replies should go only > > : to > > > > the list unless a copy is specifically requested? Â I find having these > > commands arriving in my personal (as opposed to list) folder a nuisance. > > Â I filter for a reason! > > Sorry for CCing to you messages that are meant for you, Lisi. If you > haven't noticed the mailing list headers are broken and Reply sends > messages off list. Therefore I use Reply All and oh nos, you get CCed. > I apologize for sending to you "commands" in your personal folder to > tell me what is wrong with KDE 4 for you so that I might fix it. Fell > free to just plonk me away, I take no offence. So how come that your most offensive email was _not_ sent to this list, but to the KDE list? You clearly have some control over the behaviour of your email client. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201005100746.38154.lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com
From: Dotan Cohen on 10 May 2010 02:50 On 9 May 2010 19:06, Mike Bird <mgb-debian(a)yosemite.net> wrote: > On Sun May 9 2010 06:18:27 Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: >> It is a list rule to reply only to list *unless asked otherwise*. In >> this case, Dotan asks otherwise, so what's the problem. > > That is factually incorrect. Â Dotan has replied to me+list > on several occasions without permission. I did not know that I needed your permission to reply to you. >Â From the comments > here I believe he annoys others similarly. > I apologize for annoying you with questions about what does not work for you in KDE. Feel free to file your own bugs, to live with the problems, or to find a suitable replacement. I mean that sincerely, no hard feelings. There are lots of good DEs around, we are in a golden era of Linux desktop development. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTilCTOVHQQeaV21sEU2ZJ96d73hu0V4LVqJVgFo8(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Dotan Cohen on 10 May 2010 03:00 On 10 May 2010 09:46, Lisi <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Sorry for CCing to you messages that are meant for you, Lisi. If you >> haven't noticed the mailing list headers are broken and Reply sends >> messages off list. Therefore I use Reply All and oh nos, you get CCed. >> I apologize for sending to you "commands" in your personal folder to >> tell me what is wrong with KDE 4 for you so that I might fix it. Fell >> free to just plonk me away, I take no offence. > > So how come that your most offensive email was _not_ sent to this list, but to > the KDE list? Â You clearly have some control over the behaviour of your email > client. > > I usually simply hit Reply All, as that ensures that the message will at a minimum go to the list no matter which list I'm posting on. If I know to which letter you were referring, I might be able to answer you with more detail. As I don't know to which letter you refer, then we can assume that the Reply-To headers of the message had that list. Only now am I delibertely changing the CC of the message, as you requested not to CC you. Otherwise, my choices are Reply (only to lisi.reisz@~) or to Reply All (to lisi.resiz@~ and to debian-user@~) so you see that I _cannot_ reply to the list without replying to you if I do not manually edit the CC list. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTimed-dGdpKWvYbSxCseg6HaZmOVGNqQIekLieU5(a)mail.gmail.com
From: Andrei Popescu on 10 May 2010 03:30
On Mon,10.May.10, 09:25:42, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Sorry for CCing to you messages that are meant for you, Lisi. If you > haven't noticed the mailing list headers are broken and Reply sends > messages off list. Therefore I use Reply All and oh nos, you get CCed. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html (no, I don't want to start *that* discussion yet again; interested people can just search the archives) I can't tell what mailer you are using, but most of the FLOSS mailers have reply-to-list. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic |