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From: Androcles on 14 Oct 2007 22:04 "Dr. Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message news:ud45h39lggnklkiuo2jrbm1ojtrh9s33jo(a)4ax.com... : On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:12:33 GMT, "Androcles" <Engineer(a)hogwarts.physics> : wrote: : : > : >"Dr. Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message : >news:gff2h3t1b7usrumct7fq6ae36bdql9fbsl(a)4ax.com... : >: On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:21:51 +0100, "George Dishman" : ><george(a)briar.demon.co.uk> : >: wrote: : >: : : >: >The number 9.5 is from the source to the detector so : >: >it is (2*pi*R)/9.5 for both waves. : >: : >: The number from the emision point is 13 blue, 6 red. : > : >You are counting the same 3.5 of them twice: : > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/z4.gif : >Thirteen "wavelengths" (distance a photon has to move in one of its cycles) : >are needed to catch up to the moving source in one revolution when moving : >counterclockwise, eleven are needed in the clockwise direction. Yet at any : >given instant there are exactly twelve in the circumference. : >The tick fairy changed 1 of them in my model, 3.5 of them in Jeery's model. : >You pair of idiots cannot count and are oh-so-easy to fool. : > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tickfairy.gif : >How many teeth on each wheel? : : The path lengths are 2piR+/-vt. The path lengths are (2pi+/-alpha)R, no t needed for length, Einstein Dingleberry. You pair of idiots cannot count and are oh-so-easy to fool. http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tickfairy.gif How many teeth on each wheel? : The difference in number of wavelengths is 4Aw/cLambda. : The difference in number of wavelengths is called tick fairies. : : That is the correct answer,....backed by experiment. That is the wrong answer, backed by engineers installing equipment in aircraft. You pair of idiots cannot count and are oh-so-easy to fool. http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tickfairy.gif How many teeth on each wheel? : Nobody cares what you and George think. Nature just works this way. No airline pilot cares what you say, his wings don't rely on tick fairies or Einstein Dingleberries.
From: Androcles on 14 Oct 2007 22:13 "Dr. Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message news:8k45h3don9o8l0g8n4uv8r22dms6fm9l0v(a)4ax.com... : On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:12:34 GMT, "Androcles" <Engineer(a)hogwarts.physics> : wrote: : : > : >"Dr. Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message : >news:50g2h39b2gg6pv4e1sm847cgeue23ubscq(a)4ax.com... : >: On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:40:18 +0100, "George Dishman" : ><george(a)briar.demon.co.uk> : >: wrote: : >: : >: > : >: >"Dr. Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message : >: >news:e7gmg3hgn3dqejmkarjnb1l83m5hp2q5rh(a)4ax.com... : >: >> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:13:59 -0700, George Dishman : >: >> <george(a)briar.demon.co.uk> : >: >> wrote: : >: : >: >>>Look at the simulation once it has stopped. Count : >: >>>the number of waves, it is 9.5 in both directions. : >: >> : >: >> The number of waves between the static emission point and the end point : >is : >: >> certainly not the same in both rays. : >: > : >: >The above number is from source to detector at : >: >any instant. : >: : >: Using that figure leads to your mistake. : >: Do you think the waves emitted at the yellow line disappear somehow? : >: : >: There are about 13 waves in the blue and 6 in the red. : > : >You pair of morons cannot count. : > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tickfairy.gif : >How many teeth in each wheel? : : The path lengths are 2piR+/-vt. Wrong, (2pi +/-alpha)R, no t needed to operated a straight edge and compass. : The difference in number of wavelengths is 4Aw/cLambda. : The difference in number of wavelengths is called tick fairies. : That is the correct answer,....backed by experiment. That is the wrong answer, backed by engineers. : Nobody cares what you and George think. Nature just works this way. No airline pilot cares what you say, his wings are not tick fairy wings.
From: George Dishman on 15 Oct 2007 11:05 On 15 Oct, 14:15, "Androcles" <Engin...(a)hogwarts.physics> wrote: > "George Dishman" <geo...(a)briar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > news:1192451182.165473.262400(a)e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com... > : On 15 Oct, 12:06, "Androcles" <Engin...(a)hogwarts.physics> wrote: > : > "George Dishman" <geo...(a)briar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > : >news:1192433751.545291.49550(a)z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > : > : On 14 Oct, 16:03, "Androcles" <Engin...(a)hogwarts.physics> wrote: > : > : > "George Dishman" <geo...(a)briar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > : > : >news:R--dnepzLeLLu4_anZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d(a)pipex.net... <snip history> > : > : > : The frequency is unchanged. > : > : > > : > : > Correct. > : > : > > : > : > : > : > : > : The wavelength is unchanged. > : > : > > : > : > Doppler says otherwise. > : > : > : > : Both source and detector are on the turntable. > : > : At constant angular speed, the path lengths > : > : are constant so there is no Doppler shift, > : > > : > No Doppler means no fringes for stationary Grandpa, there > : > is a Doppler shift for him. > : > : For a stationary Grandpa, there would be the > : normal Doppler shift but still no tick fairies, > > That's what this shows: > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Dualwave.gif Not even close, the waves move at v+c and v-c while yours are static. This better: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/MechSagnac.gif > For the kids on the turntable (different observer) we have this: > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Sagnac/RLG.gif Wrong experiment. > So it's just a matter of which has the dullest wits among you, > a) Dishpan, > b) Jeery, > c) Tusseladd or > d) Wombat Wilson and his Wedge-on Worbits > > At least Wombat Wilson is only poor at physics and cannot count, > he's not a true Einstein Dingleberry as the other three are. The dullest would be you, at least Henry knows the waves move and ballistic theory tells you the speed. > : Well previously the kids represented wave crests > > You are terribly confused, the kids are observers on the carousel > and Grandpa watches from the side. You are terribly confused, go back some months and read your own post where _you_ suggested the kids were running round the carousel, they were never observers, they were the waves being observed. > The ball rolls and as it does > so it traces waves like this. > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Cycloid.html > > The "source" of the wave is the photon, represented by the ball. Silly, waves and photons are _alternative_ ways of looking at the same phenomenon. > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/Photon.gif Close but not quite, the waves move: http://www.physics.gla.ac.uk/Optics/projects/singlePhotonOAM/ > Light curves in rotating frames. http://www.briar.demon.co.uk/Henri/paths.gif George
From: Androcles on 15 Oct 2007 14:45 "George Dishman" <george(a)briar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:1192460718.255292.114600(a)v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com... : On 15 Oct, 14:15, "Androcles" <Engin...(a)hogwarts.physics> wrote: : > "George Dishman" <geo...(a)briar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message : > news:1192451182.165473.262400(a)e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com... : > : On 15 Oct, 12:06, "Androcles" <Engin...(a)hogwarts.physics> wrote: : > : > "George Dishman" <geo...(a)briar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message : > : >news:1192433751.545291.49550(a)z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... : > : > : On 14 Oct, 16:03, "Androcles" <Engin...(a)hogwarts.physics> wrote: : > : > : > "George Dishman" <geo...(a)briar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message : > : > : >news:R--dnepzLeLLu4_anZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d(a)pipex.net... : : <snip history> : : > : > : > : The frequency is unchanged. : > : > : > : > : > : > Correct. : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : > : The wavelength is unchanged. : > : > : > : > : > : > Doppler says otherwise. : > : > : : > : > : Both source and detector are on the turntable. : > : > : At constant angular speed, the path lengths : > : > : are constant so there is no Doppler shift, : > : > : > : > No Doppler means no fringes for stationary Grandpa, there : > : > is a Doppler shift for him. : > : : > : For a stationary Grandpa, there would be the : > : normal Doppler shift but still no tick fairies, : > : > That's what this shows: : > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Dualwave.gif : : Not even close, the waves move at v+c and v-c : while yours are static. The wave IS static. The photons moves at v+/-c. That's the entire confusion about wave and particle duality. [snip confusion and whining]
From: Dr. Henri Wilson on 15 Oct 2007 17:54
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:35:51 -0700, George Dishman <george(a)briar.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On 14 Oct, 16:03, "Androcles" <Engin...(a)hogwarts.physics> wrote: >> "George Dishman" <geo...(a)briar.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >> >> Correct. >> >> : >> : The wavelength is unchanged. >> >> Doppler says otherwise. > >Both source and detector are on the turntable. >At constant angular speed, the path lengths >are constant so there is no Doppler shift, as >many ticks arrive at the detector as left the >source in the same time - no fairies needed. George, the path lengths are NOT constant. The number of wavelengths between source and detector IS constant at constant speed. Your problem is that you are trying to use a rotating version of the rotating frame. > >> You are an idiot. > >I am right, you don't understand what causes >Doppler shift. > >George Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T) www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm |