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From: Sherm Pendley on 5 Apr 2010 14:28 Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> writes: > In article <m2mxxhaiqy.fsf(a)shermpendley.com>, > Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: > >> > The fact is that in all of recorded and oral histories, there has been >> > no evidence of an other side. >> >> As I said - absence of proof is not proof of absence. You believe that >> there is no "other side," and as it happens I also believe that - but >> that's belief, not fact. A fact, by definition, can be tested and proven >> to be true. The absence of an afterlife is no more testable than the >> presence of one. > > You're apparently forgetting about Occam's Razor. No, just remembering the correct definition of the words "fact" and "belief." > When something can > neither be proven nor disproven .... that's when it becomes a question of belief, rather than fact. > there are other methods to determine which > is more likely. Or in this case, extemely likely. Occam's is a very reasonable basis upon which to form a belief, but odds (no matter how high) are not proof. sherm--
From: VAXman- on 5 Apr 2010 14:36 In article <1jggxn2.1dwj2wj111jxkwN%mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) writes: >John Wolf <jwolf6589(a)THUNDERBIRDgmail.com> wrote: > >> On 4/4/10 4:49 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: >> > In article<9b5un.31881$u62.31395(a)newsfe10.iad>, >> > John Wolf<jwolf6589(a)THUNDERBIRDgmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Want to wish everyone a happy Easter. >> > >> > Happy Passover to you, John. >> > >> Thank you. >> >> What do you mean by Passover? > >You seriously don't know what Passover is? How can you claim to know >anything about the Bible or Christianity without knowing about Passover? >Passover is central to the Easter parable! What about all the other "parables" in that text before it? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG http://www.quirkfactory.com/popart/asskey/eqn2.png Yeah. You know, it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people. -- Billy Ray Valentine
From: Sherm Pendley on 5 Apr 2010 16:15 Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> writes: > In article <m2bpdxah4z.fsf(a)shermpendley.com>, > Sherm Pendley <spamtrap(a)shermpendley.com> wrote: > >> > You're apparently forgetting about Occam's Razor. >> >> No, just remembering the correct definition of the words "fact" and >> "belief." > > Well, I haven't said that it is a fact that there is no other side. Then you're not the person I'm disagreeing with here. :-) > However, the fact is that there is no evidence that there is an other side > and that there is no way to prove that there is one. Nor is there any evidence that points the other direction. Lack of proof makes it, by definition, a question of faith rather than facts. > For all practical > purposes, the difference here between fact and belief is moot. That difference is *precisely* what I'm talking about. What Ian happens to believe, and whether or not I agree with it, is immaterial. I'm simply arguing against the use of the word "fact" to describe something that has not been proven one way or another. sherm--
From: Mike Rosenberg on 5 Apr 2010 16:45 Nick Naym <nicknaym@_remove_this_gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > You're wasting your breath. I'd be breathing just the same whether I typed all that or not, and I enjoyed doing it. -- My latest dance performance <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_9pudbFisE> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi>
From: Mike Rosenberg on 5 Apr 2010 16:45
<VAXman-(a)SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > >> What do you mean by Passover? > > > >You seriously don't know what Passover is? How can you claim to know > >anything about the Bible or Christianity without knowing about Passover? > >Passover is central to the Easter parable! > > What about all the other "parables" in that text before it? What about them? We can discuss them individually. -- My latest dance performance <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_9pudbFisE> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> |