From: Woody on
On 22/01/2010 10:27, Rowland McDonnell wrote:
> Peter Ceresole<peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> T i m<news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you *have* to eject it?
>>
>> Yes, it tidies the file system before ejecting. With something as
>> primitive as a FAT drive, you don't need to.
>
> Oh no? Caches? What about them? With the old MS-DOS way of doing disc
> access, no you'd have no trouble. With modern methods, surely you have
> to unmount first to ensure everything's actually made it into magnetic
> patterns rather than hanging around as packets of electrons.

Not when you are talking about USB thumb drives, as we are.

> And you'll have that problem whatever the actual disc *format*.

But depending on the format depends on if it is a problem.

>> But if you just yank it out, on a Mac, it *can* (but usually doesn't)
>> get some file system corruption.
>
> Doesn't that get fixed automatically these days, what with the whole
> journalling thing?

FAT drives aren't journalled.


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Woody
From: Jim on
On 2010-01-22, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:
>
> No, I do it about 10 to 20 times a day, every (week)day and in the last
> 8 years I have had trouble twice. So vanishingly small a problem it is
> that if I had unmounted the disk each time I would be hundreds of hours
> worse off.

Some memory sticks even indicate their state - I've one here that flashes
on/off when being accessed, then softly pulses (like a sleeping MacBook)
when it isn't. It's generally safe to yank it when it's pulsing.

And don't you *dare* quote that out of context..!

Jim
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From: T i m on
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:44:49 +0000, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com>
wrote:

>On 2010-01-22, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> No, I do it about 10 to 20 times a day, every (week)day and in the last
>> 8 years I have had trouble twice. So vanishingly small a problem it is
>> that if I had unmounted the disk each time I would be hundreds of hours
>> worse off.
>
>Some memory sticks even indicate their state - I've one here that flashes
>on/off when being accessed, then softly pulses (like a sleeping MacBook)
>when it isn't. It's generally safe to yank it when it's pulsing.
>
>And don't you *dare* quote that out of context..!

Like wot I said back there then: "If you go 'copy files, note it's
finished copying (typically flashing LED) ... yank' then?"

T i m
From: T i m on
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:24:09 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd)
wrote:

>T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> However, how would you know how much of a risk it was (or wasn't) if
>> you don't do it that way most of the time (as I guess many of us
>> probably do)?
>
>Like my mum never backs up anything, because she's never ever had a hard
>disk fail. So it's no risk at all, right?

No risk to me, no?

T i m
From: Jim on
On 2010-01-22, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, I do it about 10 to 20 times a day, every (week)day and in the last
>>> 8 years I have had trouble twice. So vanishingly small a problem it is
>>> that if I had unmounted the disk each time I would be hundreds of hours
>>> worse off.
>>
>>Some memory sticks even indicate their state - I've one here that flashes
>>on/off when being accessed, then softly pulses (like a sleeping MacBook)
>>when it isn't. It's generally safe to yank it when it's pulsing.
>>
>>And don't you *dare* quote that out of context..!
>
> Like wot I said back there then: "If you go 'copy files, note it's
> finished copying (typically flashing LED) ... yank' then?"

I missed the start of this thread.

Jim
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