From: Woody on 22 Jan 2010 05:41 On 22/01/2010 10:27, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > Peter Ceresole<peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> T i m<news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: >> >>> Do you *have* to eject it? >> >> Yes, it tidies the file system before ejecting. With something as >> primitive as a FAT drive, you don't need to. > > Oh no? Caches? What about them? With the old MS-DOS way of doing disc > access, no you'd have no trouble. With modern methods, surely you have > to unmount first to ensure everything's actually made it into magnetic > patterns rather than hanging around as packets of electrons. Not when you are talking about USB thumb drives, as we are. > And you'll have that problem whatever the actual disc *format*. But depending on the format depends on if it is a problem. >> But if you just yank it out, on a Mac, it *can* (but usually doesn't) >> get some file system corruption. > > Doesn't that get fixed automatically these days, what with the whole > journalling thing? FAT drives aren't journalled. -- Woody
From: Jim on 22 Jan 2010 05:44 On 2010-01-22, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > No, I do it about 10 to 20 times a day, every (week)day and in the last > 8 years I have had trouble twice. So vanishingly small a problem it is > that if I had unmounted the disk each time I would be hundreds of hours > worse off. Some memory sticks even indicate their state - I've one here that flashes on/off when being accessed, then softly pulses (like a sleeping MacBook) when it isn't. It's generally safe to yank it when it's pulsing. And don't you *dare* quote that out of context..! Jim -- http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Get over here. Now. Might be advisable to wear brown trousers and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It"
From: T i m on 22 Jan 2010 05:45 On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:44:49 +0000, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: >On 2010-01-22, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: >> >> No, I do it about 10 to 20 times a day, every (week)day and in the last >> 8 years I have had trouble twice. So vanishingly small a problem it is >> that if I had unmounted the disk each time I would be hundreds of hours >> worse off. > >Some memory sticks even indicate their state - I've one here that flashes >on/off when being accessed, then softly pulses (like a sleeping MacBook) >when it isn't. It's generally safe to yank it when it's pulsing. > >And don't you *dare* quote that out of context..! Like wot I said back there then: "If you go 'copy files, note it's finished copying (typically flashing LED) ... yank' then?" T i m
From: T i m on 22 Jan 2010 05:45 On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:24:09 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) wrote: >T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > >> However, how would you know how much of a risk it was (or wasn't) if >> you don't do it that way most of the time (as I guess many of us >> probably do)? > >Like my mum never backs up anything, because she's never ever had a hard >disk fail. So it's no risk at all, right? No risk to me, no? T i m
From: Jim on 22 Jan 2010 05:47
On 2010-01-22, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: >>> >>> No, I do it about 10 to 20 times a day, every (week)day and in the last >>> 8 years I have had trouble twice. So vanishingly small a problem it is >>> that if I had unmounted the disk each time I would be hundreds of hours >>> worse off. >> >>Some memory sticks even indicate their state - I've one here that flashes >>on/off when being accessed, then softly pulses (like a sleeping MacBook) >>when it isn't. It's generally safe to yank it when it's pulsing. >> >>And don't you *dare* quote that out of context..! > > Like wot I said back there then: "If you go 'copy files, note it's > finished copying (typically flashing LED) ... yank' then?" I missed the start of this thread. Jim -- http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Get over here. Now. Might be advisable to wear brown trousers and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It" |