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From: zoara on 24 May 2010 06:06 chris <ithinkiam(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Which reminds me, the app-centric model in OSX is not what I'd prefer > when Alt+tabbing. > You tried Witch? -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: zoara on 24 May 2010 06:06 Andy Hewitt <thewildrover(a)me.com> wrote: > Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: > > > On 2010-05-21, TOG(a)Toil <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > On 21 May, 10:07, thewildro...(a)me.com (Andy Hewitt) wrote: > > > > > >> So, you like the 'ribbons' then? ;-) > > >> > > > > > > Huh? The what? > > > > It's a new interface design they're using for modern versions of > > Office. > > > > Looks a bit like this: > > <http://i.msdn.microsoft.com/Cc872782.Ribbon01(en-us,MSDN.10).png> > > > > It's very much a 'love it or loath it' type thing. I'm firmly in the > > 'loath > > it' camp. > > Yeah, it's one of those things that just didn't need fixing, IMHO. > So you've never had to go hunting through Office's sprawling menus just to find the feature or setting you were after? I agree that the ribbon is not a good solution to the problem (though I'd argue that's a problem with implementation, not concept). That doesn't mean there isn't a problem, though. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Andy Hewitt on 24 May 2010 07:49 zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > Andy Hewitt <thewildrover(a)me.com> wrote: > > Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: [..] > > > It's very much a 'love it or loath it' type thing. I'm firmly in the > > > 'loath > > > it' camp. > > > > Yeah, it's one of those things that just didn't need fixing, IMHO. > > > > So you've never had to go hunting through Office's sprawling menus just > to find the feature or setting you were after? On occasion, it's why I use Pages 99% of the time. However, the kind of features I find I need to go hunting for, are the less common ones anyway, and unlikely to be in a handy Ribbon icon. Usually they're hidden in a dialogue that's in a sub-menu. > I agree that the ribbon is not a good solution to the problem (though > I'd argue that's a problem with implementation, not concept). That > doesn't mean there isn't a problem, though. I'm not sure the toolbars were a problem per se'. There's just so many features bloating Word it's hard to decide what you want to include in them. Perhaps keeping to the toolbars as they were, and having a simple keypress toolbar switching system, so you could have just one toolbar showing, but have loads of them setup for different purposes. -- Andy Hewitt <http://web.me.com/andrewhewitt1/>
From: Chris Ridd on 24 May 2010 07:56 On 2010-05-24 11:06:25 +0100, zoara said: > Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> I'm baffled that people need toolbar buttons to do things like >> copy/paste, or even save/print. The keyboard shortcuts for these have >> been pretty standard for 20 or so years, haven't they? > > I'd argue that the people who memorise and use keyboard shortcuts (even > just copy and paste) are outnumbered many times over by those who aren't > even aware such shortcuts exist. That's possible, though I'm sure even a Windows user would start to notice a common set of shortcuts appearing on the menus of his/her apps. Or has the fact that Microsoft changed shortcuts over time from CUA-like to Mac-like confused people? (Ctrl-Insert for Paste, for example.) > Hell, they may even be outnumbered by people who aren't aware of the > clipboard, full stop. Well, they're not likely to gain much seeing a toolbar with copy/paste icons on in that case. -- Chris
From: Woody on 24 May 2010 08:20
Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > On 2010-05-24 11:06:25 +0100, zoara said: > > > Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > > >> I'm baffled that people need toolbar buttons to do things like > >> copy/paste, or even save/print. The keyboard shortcuts for these > > > have > >> been pretty standard for 20 or so years, haven't they? > > > I'd argue that the people who memorise and use keyboard shortcuts > > > (even > > just copy and paste) are outnumbered many times over by those who > > aren't > > even aware such shortcuts exist. > > That's possible, though I'm sure even a Windows user would start to > notice a common set of shortcuts appearing on the menus of his/her > apps. Or has the fact that Microsoft changed shortcuts over time from > CUA-like to Mac-like confused people? (Ctrl-Insert for Paste, for > example.) I doubt it. They changed from those standards a long time ago - mostly early win 3.1-95 time and anyone using anything that long would be bound to have got used to it by now. Ctrl-s if nothing else, as it dates back to when you had to save after every sentence! -- Woody |