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From: AM on 8 Jul 2010 12:07 On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:32:12 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >What path? Understanding bog simple circuits? Stuff like this should >be second nature to any electronics designer. It sure shouldn't need >to involve cranking up Spice. You use Spice when you *don't* >understand how a circuit works. > >John I have yet to open any such app as it relates to this thread at all. You have me confused. Path? The Conduction path, ya dope.
From: John Fields on 8 Jul 2010 12:08 On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:47:24 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:23:18 -0500, John Fields ><jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:40:48 -0500, John Fields >><jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:54:26 -0700, John Larkin >>><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:57:11 -0500, John Fields >>>><jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:00:12 -0700, Jim Thompson >>>>><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Larkin vaguely started his thread with no mention of an inductor >>>>>>whatsoever, then added the inductor and claimed "sloshing" forever. >>>> >>>>I said that certain posts were untrue. Which they were. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>--- >>>>>Yeah, well, Larkin claims a lot of things are absolutely true which >>>>>break down around zero and infinity. >>>> >>>>Cite? >>> >>>--- >>>Well, the one that always brings a grin to my chops is: "Latching >>>relays have infinite gain." >>> >>>There are others, but they slip my mind and it's just not worth the >>>effort to find them. >>>--- >>> >>>>>>What-a-pile of BS... >>>>>>use real switches and real inductors and real >>>>>>capacitors. >>>>> >>>>>--- >>>>>Indeed. >>>> >>>>It helps to understand ideal circuits before you consider real >>>>circuits. The ideals are the limiting cases. You CAN transfer charge >>>>between equal value caps without loss of charge, and you can more >>>>generally transfer energy between caps without loss; just use an >>>>inductor. >>>> >>>>For those who dislike theory, Spice will slosh charge around between >>>>two caps for millions of cycles. Try it. >>> >>>--- >>>OK >> >>--- >>Oops... > >Remember what Miss Denton said: Check Your Work! --- Why bother when there's always you there, nipping at my heels?
From: John Fields on 8 Jul 2010 12:10 On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:47:24 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >Remember what Miss Denton said: Check Your Work! --- Millions of cycles indeed...
From: Jim Thompson on 8 Jul 2010 12:10 On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:06:12 -0500, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:43:26 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > > >>How in the world could you post anything that wrong? > >--- >What did you fing wrong with it that wasn't fixed in version 2? >--- > >>If you actually >>ran it, and accepted the results, well, there's nothing polite I can >>say. > >--- >You, polite??? > >Well, that's the best laugh I've had this morning! Thanks. >--- > >>So let me say this as quietly as I can: >> >> YOU DON'T NEED SPICE TO UNDERSTAND CIRCUITS THIS SIMPLE. > >--- >IT'S NICE TO HAVE THOUGH, IN ORDER TO EASILY SHOW YOU UP FOR THE >BULLSHITTER YOU ARE. > >JF JF, Please get that descriptor correct: It should be "NARCISSISTIC BULLSHITTER" ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Obama isn't going to raise your taxes...it's Bush' fault: Not re- newing the Bush tax cuts will increase the bottom tier rate by 50%
From: AM on 8 Jul 2010 12:12
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:35:15 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >In fact, it oscillates for millions of cycles You must have forgotten that part of the EE ed you referred to. The part related to when a term is considered zero. I see now where John's statement about your problem near zero and infinity comes from. You eluded all through the thread that said oscillations would occur with no drop in voltage. Now, you want to look at the very tiniest of reverb remaining long after any real examination would consider the 'signal' to be zero. Can one cap infinitely transfer charge to another without loss? |