From: MooseFET on
On Jan 30, 9:14 pm, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:10:07 -0800 (PST), "m...(a)sushi.com" <m...(a)sushi.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 29, 8:31 pm, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:43:54 +0000, Baron <baron.nos...(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
> >> >AndyS Inscribed thus:
>
> >> >> Andy asks:
>
> >> >>     I am considering switching from WINDOWS to UBUNTU, which is a
> >> >> Linnux
> >> >> based operating system.
>
> >> >>     Has anyone here had any experience with it or have any pointers
> >> >> that
> >> >> I should be aware of ??
>
> >> >>               Thanks,
>
> >> >>                  AndyS  W4OAH
>
> >> >Ubuntu makes easy things hard.  Try others before making a firm choice.
> >> >Open SuSE  <www.opensuse.org/en>
> >> >Live CD's and full install DVD.
> >> >Though my personal preference is version 11.0 with KDE3.5 desktop.
>
> >> My poised to be next production machine is OpenSuse 11.1 with KDE 3.5 DE.
> >> KDE 4 is still not ready for prime time and is way too eye heroin (candy)
> >> oriented.
>
> >I've got open suse 11.2 with kde 4.3.1. No issues. Good for
> >engineering, but for multimedia, you often spend a long time getting
> >all the needed libraries. I started to load XBMC, but it's turning out
> >to be a bear of a job. [I have vorbis, but it can't find it. Argh!]
> >Myth was trivial by comparison. But for science and electronics,
> >opensuse works well.
>
> >I run into particle accelerator employees at a local coffee shop (no,
> >really). They run a version of linux from CERN.
> >http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/scientific.shtml
>
> So do you have a version of gEDA/GAF running on your Suse 11.2?
>
> If your hardware is supported and your user requirements are not
> too unreasonable you could try the relevant newsgroup echoes of the
> OpenSuse forums.  e.g. OpenSuse.org.help.multimedia hosted by
> Novell/OpenSuse.org.

gEDA should work ok on the 32 bit version. I wouldn't bet on the 64
bit
version because when I had 64 bit SuSE installed, I found several of
the
libraries did not work right when compiled as 64 bit but did as 32
bit.
From: MooseFET on
On Jan 30, 6:42 pm, JeffM <jef...(a)email.com> wrote:
[...]
> Windoze users watch Linux package managers in action
> and their jaws drop.
> That you can actually USE Linux while it's installing stuff
> just blows them away.
> Not having to reboot for the slightest thing is the final topper.

One that really caused jaw "droppage" was this:

(1)
Install the ffmpeg

(2)
Convert some videos from one format to another

(3)
Remove the ffmpeg just to show that it can be done

No rebooting or registering of software etc.
From: JeffM on
>JeffM wrote:
>>Windoze users watch Linux package managers in action
>>and their jaws drop.
>>That you can actually USE Linux while it's installing stuff
>>just blows them away.
>>Not having to reboot for the slightest thing is the final topper.
>>
MooseFET wrote:
>One that really caused jaw "droppage" was this:
>(1) Install the ffmpeg
>(2) Convert some videos from one format to another
>(3) Remove the ffmpeg just to show that it can be done
>
>No rebooting or registering of software etc.

....and, of course, all the dependencies for apps
are managed by the Linux package manager.
When you UNinstall something, it isn't a *maybe* thing
where it *might* leave turds hither, thither, and yon.
It actually DOES uninstall ALL of the app
--AND any ancillary stuff that isn't required any more.

....and you never get 27 copies of some DLL
scattered all over your HDD.

Windoze users can get a taste of this dependency coolness
(and how M$ *SHOULD* install stuff) by using
WineTricks or Wine-doors or WineTools under Linux
to install a Windoze app for use by WINE.
(Payware) Bordeaux can extend the meme.
From: Joerg on
JeffM wrote:
>> JeffM wrote:
>>> I'm remembering Joerg grousing about an app he wanted
>>> (more than just one??) that wasn't packaged for his distro.
>>>
> Joerg wrote:
>> Actually, it was different.
>>
> I'm remembering the circumstances
> but can't connect the proper person to it.
>
>> I tried out Ubuntu (still have it) and found that
>> I did not like the directory writing privileges for non-sudo status.
>>
> This is kinda like Right-click; untick Read-only:
> http://google.com/search?q=intitle:chmod+%22+sudo.chmod.777&lr=lang_en
> Does that get you closer?
>

Maybe chmod777 would have worked, or could. In my case it was about
having access to the directory where the CAD libraries are.


>> Plus I thought that Tux looked too jaundiced ;-)
>>
> You just dip him in some Easter egg dye and
> http://google.com/images?q=Tux+Linux-Mint
>

Maybe some day I install the real Tux :-)


>> The only app I was interested [in] was gEDA
>> but it has too many shortcomings for my work
>>
> Careful.
> DJ might be lurking and show you 42 ways you're wrong.
>

We had some discussion on the gEDA group but AFAIR the concensus was
that it ain't so easy and it's not the way gEDA schon be operated. But
CAD usually is ... got to have unfettered write access to library
directories.


>> so I'll stick with Cadsoft Eagle for now.
>>
> Horses for courses.
>
>> Installation of apps is actually rather easy in Ubuntu-Linux.
>> If you want to you can click a little check box in [Synaptic]
>> and that's it.
>>
> Windoze users watch Linux package managers in action
> and their jaws drop.
> That you can actually USE Linux while it's installing stuff
> just blows them away.
> Not having to reboot for the slightest thing is the final topper.


Yeah, the reboot is rather silly but many programs don't require it
anymore. XP is pretty stable. What crashes all the time is Adobe Acrobat
Reader, almost daily, regardless of version.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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From: miso on
On Jan 31, 9:43 am, MooseFET <kensm...(a)rahul.net> wrote:
> On Jan 30, 6:42 pm, JeffM <jef...(a)email.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Windoze users watch Linux package managers in action
> > and their jaws drop.
> > That you can actually USE Linux while it's installing stuff
> > just blows them away.
> > Not having to reboot for the slightest thing is the final topper.
>
> One that really caused jaw "droppage" was this:
>
> (1)
> Install the ffmpeg
>
> (2)
> Convert some videos from one format to another
>
> (3)
> Remove the ffmpeg just to show that it can be done
>
> No rebooting or registering of software etc.

Yeah, but very often you have to compile software with Linux, and that
gets a different reaction from the windows crowd. Still, I'm with you
on the need not to boot.