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From: Falk Willberg on 2 Feb 2010 15:44 Am 02.02.2010 20:34, schrieb miso(a)sushi.com: > On Feb 2, 9:40 am, Nobody <nob...(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:17:15 -0800, m...(a)sushi.com wrote: >>> Yeah, but very often you have to compile software with Linux I like the fact, that I *can* compile most of the software, that comes with the distributions. (A customer recommended the "Yagarto" ARM toolchain, but they stopped Linux support. So I took a free course "Make your ARM-C-toolchain" and ended up with "vi" and "!make upload" which I prefer to clicking "Target->Build->Release->Select Target->Upload to target?->Yes->Prepare Target->OK->Are you sure->YES->This operation will erase all content in the selected Target's Storage - Are you sure?-> YES!!!!->Please select Target Board->F..k yourself" .... > I wasn't aware opensuse was an "unpopular" distribution. ;-) OK, > except for the Novell deal. I keep using OpenSuse for the same reasons, why many people stick with Windows: I am used to it and it's nuisances ;-) Falk
From: MooseFET on 4 Feb 2010 09:51 On Feb 1, 8:36 pm, "m...(a)sushi.com" <m...(a)sushi.com> wrote: > On Feb 1, 6:49 am, MooseFET <kensm...(a)rahul.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 31, 11:17 pm, "m...(a)sushi.com" <m...(a)sushi.com> wrote: > > > > On Jan 31, 9:43 am, MooseFET <kensm...(a)rahul.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 30, 6:42 pm, JeffM <jef...(a)email.com> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > Windoze users watch Linux package managers in action > > > > > and their jaws drop. > > > > > That you can actually USE Linux while it's installing stuff > > > > > just blows them away. > > > > > Not having to reboot for the slightest thing is the final topper. > > > > > One that really caused jaw "droppage" was this: > > > > > (1) > > > > Install the ffmpeg > > > > > (2) > > > > Convert some videos from one format to another > > > > > (3) > > > > Remove the ffmpeg just to show that it can be done > > > > > No rebooting or registering of software etc. > > > > Yeah, but very often you have to compile software with Linux, and that > > > gets a different reaction from the windows crowd. Still, I'm with you > > > on the need not to boot. > > > I have found that many people will accept the compiling of software > > even > > if they are non-programmers. You just have to give them the step by > > step instructions on how to do it and warn them that it will take a > > while > > of the PC to do the job. So long as it compiles without errors they > > will > > accept the idea that their PC needed to convert it to the right form > > for > > their machine. > > > The biggest problem is the truly awful way that most people write the > > instructions to do this. They usually read something like this: > > > (1) > > To compile the software simply type "make"(without the quotes) at a > > command prompt. > > > (2) > > When it is finished type "make install" > > > (3) > > Warning, before you type "make" the first time, you must type > > "./configure". If you forget this step it will destroy all life > > in the universe. > > The problem is missing programs (dependencies) or libraries in > different places. If it compiles right away, yeah fine. But that is > not always the case. Also, the > ./configure > make > make install > is not universal. There are other schemes. Occasionally all you get is > a C file, but that is often the easy install since the program is not > very big. DCRAW is like that. > > I like linux, but you just can't inflict it on the general public > unless all they are going to do is run a browser, email, office, etc. My wife could be using a Linux box. She spends almost all of the PC time in the web browser. She uses a spread sheet to keep track of the business stuff and she plays some old DOS games. The only thing I think she does that is not easy to get on Linux is use TurboTax. My mother only uses a web browser, a digital camera interface and a file manager. She mostly uses it to get the pictures off her camera and onto memory sticks or into emails. Where I work, many of the PCs are used to run a very buggy business application these would have to stay as Windows XP-Pro boxes. The application is not claimed to work on any other version of Windows. Many of the other machines at work would be far better off as Linux boxes with only one Icon on the "desktop". The machines are used mostly just for a single purpose.
From: Joel Koltner on 4 Feb 2010 13:42 "Fred Abse" <excretatauris(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.03.09.37.55.62490(a)invalid.invalid... > On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:36:34 -0800, miso(a)sushi.com wrote: >> I like linux, but you just can't inflict it on the general public >> unless all they are going to do is run a browser, email, office, etc. > Isn't that all they do? A lot of them, yes. These days you also need to get something like TurboTax ported to Linux...
From: miso on 4 Feb 2010 14:48 On Feb 4, 6:51 am, MooseFET <kensm...(a)rahul.net> wrote: > On Feb 1, 8:36 pm, "m...(a)sushi.com" <m...(a)sushi.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 1, 6:49 am, MooseFET <kensm...(a)rahul.net> wrote: > > > > On Jan 31, 11:17 pm, "m...(a)sushi.com" <m...(a)sushi.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 31, 9:43 am, MooseFET <kensm...(a)rahul.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 30, 6:42 pm, JeffM <jef...(a)email.com> wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > Windoze users watch Linux package managers in action > > > > > > and their jaws drop. > > > > > > That you can actually USE Linux while it's installing stuff > > > > > > just blows them away. > > > > > > Not having to reboot for the slightest thing is the final topper. > > > > > > One that really caused jaw "droppage" was this: > > > > > > (1) > > > > > Install the ffmpeg > > > > > > (2) > > > > > Convert some videos from one format to another > > > > > > (3) > > > > > Remove the ffmpeg just to show that it can be done > > > > > > No rebooting or registering of software etc. > > > > > Yeah, but very often you have to compile software with Linux, and that > > > > gets a different reaction from the windows crowd. Still, I'm with you > > > > on the need not to boot. > > > > I have found that many people will accept the compiling of software > > > even > > > if they are non-programmers. You just have to give them the step by > > > step instructions on how to do it and warn them that it will take a > > > while > > > of the PC to do the job. So long as it compiles without errors they > > > will > > > accept the idea that their PC needed to convert it to the right form > > > for > > > their machine. > > > > The biggest problem is the truly awful way that most people write the > > > instructions to do this. They usually read something like this: > > > > (1) > > > To compile the software simply type "make"(without the quotes) at a > > > command prompt. > > > > (2) > > > When it is finished type "make install" > > > > (3) > > > Warning, before you type "make" the first time, you must type > > > "./configure". If you forget this step it will destroy all life > > > in the universe. > > > The problem is missing programs (dependencies) or libraries in > > different places. If it compiles right away, yeah fine. But that is > > not always the case. Also, the > > ./configure > > make > > make install > > is not universal. There are other schemes. Occasionally all you get is > > a C file, but that is often the easy install since the program is not > > very big. DCRAW is like that. > > > I like linux, but you just can't inflict it on the general public > > unless all they are going to do is run a browser, email, office, etc. > > My wife could be using a Linux box. She spends almost all of the PC > time > in the web browser. She uses a spread sheet to keep track of the > business > stuff and she plays some old DOS games. > > The only thing I think she does that is not easy to get on Linux is > use > TurboTax. > > My mother only uses a web browser, a digital camera interface and a > file > manager. She mostly uses it to get the pictures off her camera and > onto > memory sticks or into emails. > > Where I work, many of the PCs are used to run a very buggy business > application these would have to stay as Windows XP-Pro boxes. The > application > is not claimed to work on any other version of Windows. > > Many of the other machines at work would be far better off as Linux > boxes with > only one Icon on the "desktop". The machines are used mostly just for > a > single purpose. If you are trying to do really high quality photography, there is the issue of monitor profiling under linux. For the longest time, you couldn't even color correct under windows. [The .icm file under windows is easily generated with a "spyder".) Gimp2 is only 8 bits per color and cinepaint is a bear to install, so some programs still require windows. I can't think of a single program I would want that only runs on a mac.
From: Joel Koltner on 4 Feb 2010 17:57
"JeffM" <jeffm_(a)email.com> wrote in message news:d52e2c68-7fd0-49b3-a7a4-cd74feff0805(a)h12g2000vbd.googlegroups.com... > Not "something like"--unless you enjoy being abused > by yet another damned corporation: Yikes! This is what happens when you have a product that's already pretty mature -- there are already so many features that adding more probably won't grow your sales much, so instead you decide that surely lots of people must be pirating your software, so perhaps sales would grow if you could eliminate some of that? Personally I rather think it ought to be the U.S. government providing tax preparation software anyway... |