From: Jesse F. Hughes on
Mark Murray <w.h.oami(a)example.com> writes:

> On 25/07/2010 20:05, Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
>>> Name 2 outside of the US, Britain and Australia. I dare you.
>>
>> What a strange request! Name two non-Anglo world figures?
>
> My guess is that
>
> a) he thinks we[*] are stupider than he is.
> b) and he knows of no (or almost no) non-Anglo/American world
> figures[+].
>
> and therefore presumes that the folks in the "100+" countries
> that he claims are his audience know fewer than this.
>
> I'm guessing that he thought he was playing four aces, and
> has had a nasty surprise on turning his cards over.

I thought his inclusion of "Australia" in the list of exceptions was
pretty odd. Sure, I can see why he thinks it's too easy to name Brit or
American world figures but Australians? My list of Australian world
figures is pretty short. (In fact, it consists solely of Crocodile
Dundee, so my list is not only short, but horribly dated.)

--
Jesse F. Hughes
"To all Leaders of the World, buy or rent the movie 'The Day
After'[...] I assure you will have a new perspective on WMDs."
-- practical advice from online petitions
From: JSH on
On Jul 25, 12:05 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...(a)phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> writes:
> > On Jul 24, 10:05 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...(a)phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> >> JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> writes:
> >> > On Jul 24, 7:45 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...(a)phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> >> >> JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> > On Jul 24, 5:55 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...(a)phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> >> > I am a world figure for a reason.
>
> >> >> >> Aside from your stellar performance in Google searches, and the fact
> >> >> >> that spammers the world over scan your blogs for email addresses, what
> >> >> >> evidence do you have that you're a world figure?
>
> >> >> > That is such a setup for a trite response.  Something like I could
> >> >> > tell you, but....
>
> >> >> >> Has any site at all independently referred to you by name?  (Cranks.net
> >> >> >> notwithstanding, of course.)
>
> >> >> > If they had, why would I tell you?
>
> >> >> > And what makes you think you'd know?
>
> >> >> > Hmmm...a Google search maybe?
>
> >> >> > Why do I have to remind you there are a lot of people in this
> >> >> > world--6.8 billion of them approximately--and you can't keep up with
> >> >> > everything.
>
> >> >> > So tell me, if I had the evidence you seek, why would I give it to
> >> >> > YOU?
>
> >> >> Why, to help prove your own claim, of course.
>
> >> > Why would I do that?  My mathematical proofs are rather direct and
> >> > clear using primarily elementary mathematics.
>
> >> To prove your claim that you are a world figure, you silly.
>
> > But if I am, why would I have to "prove" it?
>
> If you insist on making claims without standing behind them, then there
> is no reason at all to prove anything.

Claims? But who cares? What difference does it make?

To me claims on a math forum are about mathematics, and I give
mathematics to support my claims.

> > Do you think you know all the current world figures in all areas of
> > human endeavor?
>
> Of course not.  So?

So what if I am a world figure, what does that mean to you?

I'm suddenly curious as I find it remarkable that you think it a point
to argue.

> I've made no claims that you're not a world figure.  I'm sure that I'm
> no expert in world affairs.  So, it is only sensible that, if you claim
> to be a world figure, I request some sort of evidence regarding this
> claim.

Why?

> At least, usually, when I make a claim, I intend to persuade others that
> it is true.  If they are unpersuaded and ask for evidence, surely it is
> sensible to provide it.  Why make a claim like this and refuse to share
> evidence that it is true?

But I have no interest in persuading you that it is true.

> > Name 2 outside of the US, Britain and Australia.  I dare you.
>
> What a strange request!  Name two non-Anglo world figures?

Others did it for you.

What do you think a world figure is?

Why is it a point to argue? I don't think it matters much in context.


James Harris
From: Mark Murray on
On 25/07/2010 20:46, Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
>> I'm guessing that he thought he was playing four aces, and
>> has had a nasty surprise on turning his cards over.
>
> I thought his inclusion of "Australia" in the list of exceptions was
> pretty odd. Sure, I can see why he thinks it's too easy to name Brit or
> American world figures but Australians? My list of Australian world
> figures is pretty short. (In fact, it consists solely of Crocodile
> Dundee, so my list is not only short, but horribly dated.)

Me three. Paul Hogan, Kevin Bloody Wilson and his daughter Jenny Talia
were the three living Aussies I could name apart from family, friends
and politicians.

The last two are pretty dodgy ;-). Downright filthy in fact. Good
humour if you are in a rugby crowd, but forget it otherwise.

I just thought of Russell Crowe, Nicole Kidman and Elle MacPherson.

BTW James, do the Queen of New Zealand and the Queen of Canada count?

M
--
Mark "No Nickname" Murray
Notable nebbish, extreme generalist.
From: Mark Murray on
On 25/07/2010 21:30, JSH wrote:
>> At least, usually, when I make a claim, I intend to persuade others that
>> it is true. If they are unpersuaded and ask for evidence, surely it is
>> sensible to provide it. Why make a claim like this and refuse to share
>> evidence that it is true?
>
> But I have no interest in persuading you that it is true.

Then why do you expend so much effort in doing so?

>>> Name 2 outside of the US, Britain and Australia. I dare you.
>>
>> What a strange request! Name two non-Anglo world figures?
>
> Others did it for you.
>
> What do you think a world figure is?
>
> Why is it a point to argue? I don't think it matters much in context.

And you brought it up because .... ?

M
--
Mark "No Nickname" Murray
Notable nebbish, extreme generalist.
From: MichaelW on
On Jul 26, 6:45 am, Mark Murray <w.h.o...(a)example.com> wrote:
> On 25/07/2010 20:46, Jesse F. Hughes wrote:
>
> >> I'm guessing that he thought he was playing four aces, and
> >> has had a nasty surprise on turning his cards over.
>
> > I thought his inclusion of "Australia" in the list of exceptions was
> > pretty odd.  Sure, I can see why he thinks it's too easy to name Brit or
> > American world figures but Australians?  My list of Australian world
> > figures is pretty short.  (In fact, it consists solely of Crocodile
> > Dundee, so my list is not only short, but horribly dated.)
>
> Me three. Paul Hogan, Kevin Bloody Wilson and his daughter Jenny Talia
> were the three living Aussies I could name apart from family, friends
> and politicians.
>
> The last two are pretty dodgy ;-). Downright filthy in fact. Good
> humour if you are in a rugby crowd, but forget it otherwise.
>
> I just thought of Russell Crowe, Nicole Kidman and Elle MacPherson.
>
> BTW James, do the Queen of New Zealand and the Queen of Canada count?
>
> M
> --
> Mark "No Nickname" Murray
> Notable nebbish, extreme generalist.

I don't know what irritates me more about this thread; that everyone
has fallen into the trap of talking about James rather than maths or
the ignorance of my home country.

Regards, Michael W, posting from Australia which despite our low
population has many individuals active on the world stage in the areas
of politics, environment, religion, entertainment, academia and sport.