From: lucasea on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:ej73hc$8qk_003(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
> In article <4556023D.65907648(a)hotmail.com>,
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> What is really happening
>>> is that people, who do not have access to a GP, go to the
>>> most expensive health care facility for treatment.
>>
>>Why would they do that ?
>
> To get drugs to fix their problem. Doctors don't take
> new patients who are already sick even if one has
> medical insurance.

Where did you get that loony idea?

Eric Lucas


From: lucasea on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:ej73t9$8qk_006(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
> In article <v76dnSNVabJ4h8vYnZ2dnUVZ8v2dnZ2d(a)pipex.net>,
> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>>
>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:ej4hah$8ss_014(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
>>> In article <45537045.AC5FCFC6(a)hotmail.com>,
>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Something approaching 20% of the people in our country can't afford
>>>>> any
>>> sort
>>>>> of health care. To say that "ain't broke" is one of the most morally
>>> bereft
>>>>> statements I've heard in a very, very long time. Congratulations,
>>>>> you've
>>>>> demonstrated the lack of a conscience along with a lack of a brain.
>>>>
>>>>BAH may not be aware that it was a social conscience that drove Britain
>>>>to
>>> look
>>>>at the possibility of a National Health Service.
>>>
>>> Britain is a single country and has a "small" acreage. The US
>>> is 50 "countries" span a quarter hemisphere.
>>
>>So what?
>
> You people honestly can't see the difference?

You make some vague assertions about lack of availability, based upon
who-knows-what wacko assumptions. Of course we can't see the difference as
applies to a nationalized health care system. Oh, and by the way, Canada
spans just as much area as the US.

Eric Lucas


From: lucasea on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:ej749p$8qk_008(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
>
> How did your simulation software learn? Did the code evolve over
> the years and the chem industry have a package like engineering had
> CADCAM?

There are several standard packages.


>>to make sure that there are no gotchas in that region. Then they need to
>>go
>>outside of that space, to see if there are any nearby gotchas in the even
>>that 1, 2, 3 or all 20 of those variables go out of spec at once.
>
> Does this simulation need a Cray equivalent of CPU cycles?

Not even close.


> If you
> use PCs these days, how long (wallclock time) does a run take?
> Hours? Days? Weeks? Months?

Seconds to minutes, hours in extreme cases.

Eric Lucas


From: lucasea on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:ej74lh$8qk_009(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
> In article <y5m5h.2407$6t.1030(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:ej4jv8$8ss_027(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
>>> In article <Pwe5h.8473$9v5.327(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:3070a$45554ce3$4fe71df$2923(a)DIALUPUSA.NET...
>>>>> Ben Newsam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:02:02 -0600, unsettled
>>>>>> <unsettled(a)nonsense.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>He also doesn't seem to mind a large part of that going to
>>>>>>>pay medical care for random strangers including those who
>>>>>>>are getting medical care for their ongoing smoking and drug
>>>>>>>addiction.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you seriously believe that your insurance premiums are used only
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> fund *your* medical needs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you asked.
>>>>>
>>>>> My insurance premiums are insufficient to cover my
>>>>> medical expenses. I am at a slight loss in the
>>>>> medicine coverage if I use Canadian pricing as
>>>>> the basis, but way ahead if I use USA prices. I
>>>>> pay for the coverage because it is quite likely
>>>>> I'll need more as I age and there's a penalty if
>>>>> one doesn't sign on when it becomes available to
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now reread what I wrote and take the narrow meaning:
>>>>> "He (add emphasis to that word) also doesn't seem
>>>>> to mind...."
>>>>>
>>>>> For the most part private US insurance severely
>>>>> limits benefits available for addictions and mental
>>>>> health issues. I can pretty much guarantee that we
>>>>> won't do lung translants for folks still smoking.
>>>>
>>>>A lung transplant would be cheap compared to what they *do* do for
>>>>smokers
>>>>(ex *and* current). Lifelon treatments for emphysema. Years and years
>>>>of
>>>>cancer treatments, including expensive chemo and radiation treatments,
>>>>which
>>>>morph into more and more expensive as the patient very slowly dies.
>>>>Expensive treatments for the heart disease caused by smoking, including
>>>>bypass surgery, heart transplants, and other forms of open-heart
>>>>surgery.
>>>
>>> Those services were already paid for by the tax.
>>
>>What the hell are you on about? 1) We were talking private insurance, 2)
>>If that is *already* paid for by tax, then I guess the horror that the
>>unsettled/BAH creature was trying to create at the thought of tax money
>>paying for treatment of the unwashed masses of smokers, was all just
>>meaningless bluster, since by its own admission, it already happens under
>>the US system.
>>
>>
>>> In Mass., all that
>>> lovely money, not only has been spent twice, it's been borrowed against
>>> (I think) two times.
>>
>>Yeah, we all know how corrupt Massachusetts is--why do you imply that that
>>corruption will happen with a nationalized health care system.
>
> Because it already is happening with the Medicare and Medicaid
> system. Why should I believe that passing a single-payer law
> will stop all of the cheating?

What "cheating"?


> Why should I believe that
> the paid services now denied to my folks will suddenly become available
> with the passage of a single-payer law?

Because as waste and profit motive are removed, the cost of all services
comes down, more services will be affordable by the system.


> In fact, I know there
> will be more services not covered and a lot more cheating
> done with a single-payer system.

You do not know any such thing, you are assuming again, with no reason but
paranoia.


>> If we've
>>learned one thing from the Big Dig, it's "don't let Massachusetts handle
>>any
>>more big projects, and certainly don't let them administer a national
>>health
>>care system."
>
> You have no choice. Every state administers the Medicare and
> Medicaid systems. What makes you think that this will not
> happen if a single-payer law is passed by Congress?

Becuase it doesn't happen in the UK or Canada, which also have governmental
subdivisions?

Eric Lucas


From: lucasea on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:ej754d$8qk_011(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
>
>>I'm not familiar with this 'leach fields' thing.
>
> That's another way to get rid of excess water and put
> it back into your water table.
>
> Didn't you ever wonder where your sewer people put all of that
> water that get flushed and put down the drains of your sinks,
> baths, and showers?

You really are clueless about how things get done. Waste water treatment
plants do not involve anything like leach beds or dry wells.

Eric Lucas