From: lucasea on 12 Nov 2006 15:07 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej73hc$8qk_003(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <4556023D.65907648(a)hotmail.com>, > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> What is really happening >>> is that people, who do not have access to a GP, go to the >>> most expensive health care facility for treatment. >> >>Why would they do that ? > > To get drugs to fix their problem. Doctors don't take > new patients who are already sick even if one has > medical insurance. Where did you get that loony idea? Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 12 Nov 2006 15:10 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej73t9$8qk_006(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <v76dnSNVabJ4h8vYnZ2dnUVZ8v2dnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ej4hah$8ss_014(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <45537045.AC5FCFC6(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> Something approaching 20% of the people in our country can't afford >>>>> any >>> sort >>>>> of health care. To say that "ain't broke" is one of the most morally >>> bereft >>>>> statements I've heard in a very, very long time. Congratulations, >>>>> you've >>>>> demonstrated the lack of a conscience along with a lack of a brain. >>>> >>>>BAH may not be aware that it was a social conscience that drove Britain >>>>to >>> look >>>>at the possibility of a National Health Service. >>> >>> Britain is a single country and has a "small" acreage. The US >>> is 50 "countries" span a quarter hemisphere. >> >>So what? > > You people honestly can't see the difference? You make some vague assertions about lack of availability, based upon who-knows-what wacko assumptions. Of course we can't see the difference as applies to a nationalized health care system. Oh, and by the way, Canada spans just as much area as the US. Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 12 Nov 2006 15:13 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej749p$8qk_008(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > > How did your simulation software learn? Did the code evolve over > the years and the chem industry have a package like engineering had > CADCAM? There are several standard packages. >>to make sure that there are no gotchas in that region. Then they need to >>go >>outside of that space, to see if there are any nearby gotchas in the even >>that 1, 2, 3 or all 20 of those variables go out of spec at once. > > Does this simulation need a Cray equivalent of CPU cycles? Not even close. > If you > use PCs these days, how long (wallclock time) does a run take? > Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Seconds to minutes, hours in extreme cases. Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 12 Nov 2006 15:17 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej74lh$8qk_009(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <y5m5h.2407$6t.1030(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ej4jv8$8ss_027(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <Pwe5h.8473$9v5.327(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>>news:3070a$45554ce3$4fe71df$2923(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>>>> Ben Newsam wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:02:02 -0600, unsettled >>>>>> <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>He also doesn't seem to mind a large part of that going to >>>>>>>pay medical care for random strangers including those who >>>>>>>are getting medical care for their ongoing smoking and drug >>>>>>>addiction. >>>>> >>>>>> Do you seriously believe that your insurance premiums are used only >>>>>> to >>>>>> fund *your* medical needs? >>>>> >>>>> Since you asked. >>>>> >>>>> My insurance premiums are insufficient to cover my >>>>> medical expenses. I am at a slight loss in the >>>>> medicine coverage if I use Canadian pricing as >>>>> the basis, but way ahead if I use USA prices. I >>>>> pay for the coverage because it is quite likely >>>>> I'll need more as I age and there's a penalty if >>>>> one doesn't sign on when it becomes available to >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> Now reread what I wrote and take the narrow meaning: >>>>> "He (add emphasis to that word) also doesn't seem >>>>> to mind...." >>>>> >>>>> For the most part private US insurance severely >>>>> limits benefits available for addictions and mental >>>>> health issues. I can pretty much guarantee that we >>>>> won't do lung translants for folks still smoking. >>>> >>>>A lung transplant would be cheap compared to what they *do* do for >>>>smokers >>>>(ex *and* current). Lifelon treatments for emphysema. Years and years >>>>of >>>>cancer treatments, including expensive chemo and radiation treatments, >>>>which >>>>morph into more and more expensive as the patient very slowly dies. >>>>Expensive treatments for the heart disease caused by smoking, including >>>>bypass surgery, heart transplants, and other forms of open-heart >>>>surgery. >>> >>> Those services were already paid for by the tax. >> >>What the hell are you on about? 1) We were talking private insurance, 2) >>If that is *already* paid for by tax, then I guess the horror that the >>unsettled/BAH creature was trying to create at the thought of tax money >>paying for treatment of the unwashed masses of smokers, was all just >>meaningless bluster, since by its own admission, it already happens under >>the US system. >> >> >>> In Mass., all that >>> lovely money, not only has been spent twice, it's been borrowed against >>> (I think) two times. >> >>Yeah, we all know how corrupt Massachusetts is--why do you imply that that >>corruption will happen with a nationalized health care system. > > Because it already is happening with the Medicare and Medicaid > system. Why should I believe that passing a single-payer law > will stop all of the cheating? What "cheating"? > Why should I believe that > the paid services now denied to my folks will suddenly become available > with the passage of a single-payer law? Because as waste and profit motive are removed, the cost of all services comes down, more services will be affordable by the system. > In fact, I know there > will be more services not covered and a lot more cheating > done with a single-payer system. You do not know any such thing, you are assuming again, with no reason but paranoia. >> If we've >>learned one thing from the Big Dig, it's "don't let Massachusetts handle >>any >>more big projects, and certainly don't let them administer a national >>health >>care system." > > You have no choice. Every state administers the Medicare and > Medicaid systems. What makes you think that this will not > happen if a single-payer law is passed by Congress? Becuase it doesn't happen in the UK or Canada, which also have governmental subdivisions? Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 12 Nov 2006 15:18
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ej754d$8qk_011(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > >>I'm not familiar with this 'leach fields' thing. > > That's another way to get rid of excess water and put > it back into your water table. > > Didn't you ever wonder where your sewer people put all of that > water that get flushed and put down the drains of your sinks, > baths, and showers? You really are clueless about how things get done. Waste water treatment plants do not involve anything like leach beds or dry wells. Eric Lucas |