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From: unsettled on 26 Nov 2006 22:09 Ken Smith wrote: > In article <dcfe4$45688a2f$4fe7197$9197(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>Ken Smith wrote: > > [....] > >>>Some fraction of it will be. The running cost of the casino contains lots >>>of places where wealth is consumed. At these places, the money still >>>flows but wealth is lost. The simplest case would be the maintaining of >>>the machines. The wealth used on maintaining them does not produce any >>>new wealth. >> >>Follow the money. The cost is paid to a maintenance man. > > > Not all of it goes there. Some goes to the parts needed. The money > changed hands but other than the repaired machine, nothing of value was > created. There is now slightly less value in the economy. Start with any loss being the fact the machine failed in the first place. Nothing lasts forever. The problem isn't as simple as you're presenting here. We'd have to get into an entire *huge* discussion about economics to resolve it. Try this definition on for size. S: (n) axiology (the study of values and value judgments) http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=axiology Then: <http://www.amazon.com/What-Value-Introduction-Axiology-2nd/dp/0875480772/sr=8-3/qid=1164596439/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/103-6419119-2470246?ie=UTF8&s=books> I am fortunate enough to have scored a first edition copy of this book. As the FSU was collapsing I sent a (it was authorized by the publisher who had no intention of a second printing at the time) copy to a correspondant I had in Moscow at the time. I recommend this book, _What Is Value: An Introduction to Axiology_ by Frodizi. > [....] >>>No, I never said anything about outlawing them. This is a question of the >>>right way to look at what is happening in an economy. You have to follow >>>the flow of wealth, not merely the flow of money. There are places where >>>wealth is created and places where it is consumed. Pushing needless paper >>>around was my example of a place where wealth is consumed. If you can >>>reduce the amount of needless paper pushing, you can improve the economy. >>I'll leave you in BAH's hands for this one. She's made the point >>that every piece of paper had, and may still have, a valid reason >>for being. It only took a couple of hundred years to get rid of >>the US "Tea Taster." > Yes and look how much things have gotten better as a result. We can now > get PCs for less than a weeks pay. Back then we could have only dreamed > about such computing power for so little money. Now you're getting into imports and a one world economy, the capitalist dream world. Will the one world government be an Islamic republic?
From: lucasea on 26 Nov 2006 22:13 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:e4ba5$4569fea8$4fe7485$23334(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > Ken Smith wrote: > >> In article <C18DE6C3.4E65C%dbowey(a)comcast.net>, >> Don Bowey <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> >>>On 11/25/06 9:31 AM, in article ek9uln$lag$9(a)blue.rahul.net, "Ken Smith" >>><kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>In article <MPG.1fd11c17f0518b5a989c65(a)news.individual.net>, >>>>krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >>>>[.....] >>>> >>>>>Whether you like it or not, radio is an interstate issue. Perhaps >>>>>there should be some local control for ultra=-low power, but other >>>>>than that 50 FCCs would be a nightmare. Can you imagine getting 50 >>>>>certifications for a piece of gear? >>>> >>>>I like radio just fine. >>>> >>>>Is radio "interstate commerce" if the broadcast can't be heard in >>>>another >>>>state? If not, I don't think the constitution gives the federal >>>>government preemptive control. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Since the FCC DOES coordinate and regulate all forms of radio >>>transmission, >>>what is the purpose of your post? >>> >>>Perhaps the problem is with your understanding. >> >> >> No, the question goes to a core issue. A FM station in SanFransisco is >> not "interstate" but is controlled by the FCC. Under some peoples >> reading of the constitution, it should not be. > > I'm sure you can make a good case for that, however > it belongs to a reguated class, so it is actually the > definition of the class that you'd be fighting. It > gets to be a hairy battle. > > OTOH there's also the argument that it affects interstate > commerce. And there's also the argument that health care does, too. A pandemic that starts in one state will affect the ability of people to travel to and from that state, perhpas due to quarantine, perhaps due to simple fear. Eric Lucas
From: unsettled on 26 Nov 2006 22:33 Ken Smith wrote: > In article <ce8ce$45688adc$4fe7197$9197(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>Ken Smith wrote: >> > > [....] > >>>>Actually it's even simpler -- your Medicare taxes are withheld every payday >>>>and I assume for most businesses now, electronically sent to the IRS with the >>>>push of a key. >>> >>> >>>That key is likely to cost a penny. >> >>Nope. You have to distribute IRS costs proportionally to >>their destination. The Infrastructure, etc, isn't >>free to some, and costly to others. > > > Huh? Illustration, with inaccurate numbers and categories: IRS BUdget: 1 Billion US$ Sent to states 10% of collections Allocated overhead 1 Billion * 10% Sent to medicare 17% of collections Allocated overhead 1 Billion * 17% Executive Branch 12% of collections Allocated overhead 1 Billion * 12% In the illustration, we'd have to add 17% of the total cost of operating expenses of the IRS to the overhead incurred by Medicare. That would start making the actual overhead for Medicare align with the cost items reported by insurance companies. Then there's all the paper provided by the GPO. And probably other stuff as well
From: lucasea on 26 Nov 2006 22:40 "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:jr8km25sslpsqnkrahvoai8bttbhkvt1f2(a)4ax.com... > > The part I like is that it doesn't matter whether it's a typo or > not, it's still an error and manifests itself as improper use of the > language. So you refuse to distinguish between a typo and an error of usage based on stupidity or a lack of understanding of grammar or syntax? Well, aren't you just the bee's knees, never making honest mistakes when you know better. Eric Lucas
From: Don Bowey on 26 Nov 2006 23:08
On 11/26/06 4:52 PM, in article ekdcsg$906$4(a)blue.rahul.net, "Ken Smith" <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote: > In article <C18F34DC.4EA2A%dbowey(a)comcast.net>, > Don Bowey <dbowey(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> On 11/26/06 11:57 AM, in article ekcrj1$g1o$8(a)blue.rahul.net, "Ken Smith" >> <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote: >> >>> In article <79c91$4568893d$4fe7197$9163(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>> Ken Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <MPG.1fd11c17f0518b5a989c65(a)news.individual.net>, >>>>> krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >>>>> [.....] >>>>> >>>>>> Whether you like it or not, radio is an interstate issue. Perhaps >>>>>> there should be some local control for ultra=-low power, but other >>>>>> than that 50 FCCs would be a nightmare. Can you imagine getting 50 >>>>>> certifications for a piece of gear? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I like radio just fine. >>>>> >>>>> Is radio "interstate commerce" if the broadcast can't be heard in another >>>>> state? If not, I don't think the constitution gives the federal >>>>> government preemptive control. >>>> >>>> How many microwatts will cross the border when you're >>>> standing next to a state line with the transmitter? >>> >>> Why is an FM station in SanFransisco under FCC control? >>> >> >> Because that is part of their responsibility. What makes you a one trick >> pony? > > I think you are missing the point so I will try to make it clearer. > > The US constitution contains the "commerce clause" which allows the > federal government to regulate interstate commerce. It also has a section > that says that "power not enumerated" are reserved for the states or the > people. How does the FCC get the right to control the FM station in > SanFransisco? Several things come to mind that support the FCC governing all US radio transmission. 1. A radio broadcast station in SNFC with a license issued by the State could interfere with reception of a transmitter in another state which is licensed by the FCC for interstate transmission. 2. A multitude of low power transmitters within a state could interfere with all interstate reception, intentionally or by accident. 3. Computing devices can interfere with reception unless their radiation power and spectrum are controlled. Multiple jurisdictions setting their own state regulations could result in poor reception of interstate signals. > > Think hard before you answer this. The question is not about FM radio. I didn't have to think very hard to come up with this suitably short list. > > |