From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <MPG.1fd266107aed13ca989c9e(a)news.individual.net>,
krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote:
>In article <6CO9h.6326$yf7.931(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>,
>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net says...
>>
>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:ek70h3$8qk_012(a)s989.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
>> >
>> > Most people, (except it seems our current Demcocrat leadership),
>> > in this country are highly allergic to throwing away our
>> > Constitution.
>>
>> That's hilarious. The Bush administration has been throwing out wholesale
>> clauses of the Constitution at their whim. Or was your substituting
>> "Democrat" for "neo-conservative Republican" another Freudian slip?
>
>More claptrap from a leftist loon.
>
>>
>> > To transfer states' powers to the Federal
>> > government is unconstitutional
>>
>> Please quote the clause that forbids this in general. And please quote the
>> clause that says that providing health care is a "states' power".
>
>Health care is not in the COnstitution as a federal power, thus
>under the Xth Amendment it becomes a power of the states or the
>people.

The air force isn't in the constitution. Neither is radio/TV. Neither is
sending troops abroad (only "common defense" is mentioned).

>
>> > and requires extraordinary
>> > circumstances
>>
>> And you think that having 20 % of our population without health care is not
>> "extraordinary"?
>
>Now you're confusing "health care" with "health insurance". And
>no, it's not "extraordinary". How many had health *insurance*
>fifty years ago?
>>
>> > and legal actions to do so.
>>
>> And what makes you think the needed legal actions cannot happen?
>>
>That's what I'm always afraid of "legal actions". They're the
>worst subversions of the Constitution (again, see: Kelo).
>>
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <ekc7ba$8qk_002(a)s963.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>In article <45699BCB.BDACF454(a)hotmail.com>,
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> In case you two haven't noticed, the trend is to make possession
>>> >> of tobacco illegal.
>>> >
>>> >No sweetheart. It's the smoking of it where it's not wanted that's
>becoming
>>> >illegal.
>>>
>>> In this country, it's also illegal where it is wanted. The
>>> commentary now going on in my state is the estimate that it
>>> will take 10 years to make possession of tobacco illegal.
>>
>>That sounds like simple 'scaremongering' to me.
>
>It's exactly how the current laws barring all people from
>smoking in all public places started.
>>

Then I take it you wouldn't mind someone spraying polonium around in a public
place either.

>>
>>> Granted, this is personal experience again and not allowed in
>>> your discussions. What I would like to know is why are your
>>> personal experiences allowed to be used as debating facts
>>> and mine cannot be?
>>
>>Which personal experiences ? You've posted many and I've posted very few.
>That
>>seems to contradict your assertion.
>
>ARe you being ignorant on purpose? You don't allow me to use
>facts that happens in my life as a valid debating point.
>
>/BAH
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <ekc28m$8ss_001(a)s963.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>In article <MPG.1fd2d7e6ed030e26989ce1(a)news.individual.net>,
> krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote:
>>In article <slrnemhu90.5qi.don(a)manx.misty.com>, don(a)manx.misty.com
>>says...
><snip>
>
>>> Also, the USA's worst-in-the-world "War On Drugs"! Punish users
>>> inadequately and make most punishment to distribution, so as to give
>>> a profit motive to smarter meaner distributors!
>>> I thing USA is better off choosing either of two extremes:
>>>
>>> 1) Get caught with half a joint, spend 2 years in "The Joint". According
>>> to my German teacher when I was taking German in highschool, that was the
>>> law of Germany!
>>>
>>> 2) Make USA's recreational drug laws like they were in 1900 - when
>>> marijuana, cocaine and opiates were LEGAL!
>>
>>Legalizing marijuana is a good idea, the government doesn't like it
>>because unlike alcohol or tobacco it cannot be taxed. It's too
>>easy to grow. I don't like the idea of legalizing cocaine or
>>opiates. THe cost to society of these things now makes tobacco look
>>like chump change.
>
>In case you two haven't noticed, the trend is to make possession
>of tobacco illegal. That kind of rhetoric has already started
>in Massachusetts. And, since this is an all-Democrat state,
>you others can't blame Republicans. It is one of life's
>largest ironies that the Democrats, who call themselves
>Liberals, are the most tight-assed, prudish, intolerable
>people.
>
>/BAH

Whatever happened to "your right stops when it injures me"?
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <ekc910$8qk_004(a)s963.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>In article <45699770.B6957F47(a)hotmail.com>,
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote:
>>> >rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
>>> >> krw wrote:
>>> >> > rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
>>> >> > > krw wrote:
>>> >> > > > rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
>>> >> > > > > krw wrote:
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > you'd likely be all for nationalizing the oil companies too.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > What would be the point of that ?
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > It makes as much sense as nationalizing health care; none. Why
>>> >> > > > don't you nationalize food production while you're at it?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Who said anything about nationalisation ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > What exactly do you think *NATIONALIZED* Health Care is?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dumb donkey!
>>> >>
>>> >> The NHS *does not* nationalise all health care.
>>> >>
>>> >> Private practice continues and GPs run their own practices essentially
>as
>>> >> they like. They simply receive a salary from the NHS.
>>> >
>>> >If they receive a salary from the NHS, their practices *have* been
>>> >nationalized. They're no longer in control of their business.
>>> >Sheesh!
>>> >
>>> There is something more important here. He cannot conceive
>>> of a medical distriubtion system that isn't completely
>>> controlled by the national government.
>>
>>You're utterly wrong.
>>
>>The government doesn't control the 'medical distribution system' as you call
>it.
>>There is private practice too as I keep telling you.
>
>But only your upper, upper class are allowed to use those
>services. How long do you think it will take some socialist
>to use that as a class warfare tool? YOu've already decimated
>your wealthy class by bankrupting them through death taxes.
>
>/BAH

I'm sure Paris Hilton loves your advocacy of a system which allows her to
inherit all her parents' wealth with no taxation.
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <MPG.1fd25e30bbdf206e989c9a(a)news.individual.net>,
krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote:
>In article <4568506B.B2ADEA0D(a)hotmail.com>,
>rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says...
>>
>>
>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > Take a look at European nations that are blatant socialists.
>>
>> False premise commented on.
>>
>>
>> > They have to import people to do the work.
>>
>> Like Mexicans in the 'socialist' USA you mean ?
>
>A little. The difference is that the Mexicans are here illegally
>rather than having been invited in because of a negative population
>rate. It's about time for an open season on Mexican here.
>

So, are you celebrating Eric Rudolph's work or Tim McVeigh's?