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From: jmfbahciv on 18 Jan 2007 11:51 In article <45AF830C.159A99B5(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >T Wake wrote: >> >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> > Why do you people keep forgetting Syria? None seem to think >> >> > about Egypt. >> >> >> >> No one forgets Syria and people do think of about Egypt. As I pointed out >> >> to you in a previous post both those nations are important. >> > >> >< snip > >> > >> >> Now on to some important questions which fall out of your post. Why do you >> >> keep forgetting about Tunisia? None seem to think of Morocco. >> > >> >Or Turkey even ? Yet another Muslim nation in the region. >> >> I have not forgotten Turkey. It is also currently under pressure >> to become more conservative. > >From whom ? The ultra conservative clerics and their followers. You really do need to get the real news. > > >> You should watch all the individual >> laws and policies that get passed and then unpassed. You really >> need to listen to the real news. > >I do. No, unfortunately, you don't. /BAH
From: Eeyore on 18 Jan 2007 12:00 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > > >> There happen to be a lot of people who think that, if the US > >> plays by Geneva convention rules, the Islamic extremists will. > > > >Really ? I didn't hear anyone say that. > > You might try to read Carter's book. You might listen to > Hillary Clinton. You might notice the places both she > and Kerry have been visiting in the last few weeks. What has where they're visiting got to do about it ? Have they been visiting extremists ? Graham
From: Eeyore on 18 Jan 2007 12:05 unsettled wrote: > We could create and implement a treaty with England that > we would respect their state religion as ours, for > example. 2 problems with that. You can't make any treaty with *England* alone. We don't really have a 'state religion'. Graham
From: unsettled on 18 Jan 2007 12:26 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > In article <40082$45ae4277$4fe75e2$2442(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >>>In article <91109$45abaa9c$49ecfc6$17678(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>In article <45AB91C2.CF5D0E83(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>T Wake wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>What else can you treat terrorists as, other than criminals? They are > > not > >>>>>>>"soldiers" fighting for an opposing power. >>>>>> >>>>>>Certainly the way Guantanamo is run suggests that too. Soldiers should be >>>>>>treated according to the Geneva Convention(s). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This isn't a Geneva convention styled war. >>>> >>>>His stupidity keeps boiling to the surface. >>> >>> >>>There happen to be a lot of people who think that, if the US >>>plays by Geneva convention rules, the Islamic extremists will. >>>Since this is a fallacy and the denigration of all US attempts to >>>deal with this global threat is based on this fallacy, there >>>is going to have to be extremely big messes before their minds >>>are changed. For you to dismiss this as stupidity make you worse >>>than them because you are, in your own way, ignoring the real >>>problem, too. >> >>Despite any persistent insistence otherwise, your belief >>system does not define legitimately "stupid." There are >>a lot of very stupid people in the world. Many of them >>actually vote and share the roads with the rest of us. >>Refusing to call the stupid because there are many of >>them is a mistake. >> >>The bell curve has that shape for a reason. The usual >>skews are small. If you're only average, half the people >>in the world are stupid by comparison. That ratio keeps >>increasing the smarter you actually are. >> >>I think the main problem here is that you need to take >>a few sociology classes and get rid of some rigidity. > You have overlooked the point that it is the intellgensia > who are trying their damnedest to ignore this threat. eeyore > is an example of the people who have assumed that these "smarter" > people know what they are doing; thus, ignoring this threat > is the "right" way to live. Eeyore is dismissible as is Parker. In fact to some extent even people who adhere to the same value sets they puppet dismiss them, except, unfortunately, at the voting booth. Neither of them can rub more than a couple of properly functioning neurons together on any given day. Kirwan, Wake, and Smith give ideas a good run for their money and are the ones who represent the mindset you're discussing here. They're worthy of consideration and engagement. In fact, each of them is known for sometimes bringing points to the discussion that have head turning value. I don't try to convince them on every point I have to make. It often takes planting memes that work over longer periods. Of course the same is true in potential transfers from them to everyone else. The clash of civilizations is an apt and appropriate model to offer readers. One can't help but understand better if they read the history of the Ottoman Empire in Europe, and most of all the Greek experience with not only the Ottomans but the modern Greek Church's experiences with the secular Turkish government since Ataturk's day. That's representative of the *moderate* Muslim mentality at work. The Pope's recent visit to Turkey was a small effort to try to help the Greek Church with the problems it is experiencing at the hands of mainstream Islam. Chances of Turkey getting into the EU under the circumstances? None, because the relationship with the Greek Church is the tip of the iceberg. > In the last few months, I've observed that, if a person A dares > to criticize some aspect of an idea a famous person B had, tons > of social pressure is applied to person A to retract the criticism. That's nothing new regardless of when you began observing it. I never liked JF Kennedy, and to say that is only lately becoming acceptable enough in most circles that one can get away with criticism without significant social pressures being brought to bear. His own son's writings about family matters helped bring these modern acceptabilities into being. The main reason I disliked Kennedy in his own day had to do with his treatment of the American public during the early stages of the missile crisis. He sat on information and refused to make any statement for the longest time. So when he finally did make a public statement the citizenry and press were so thrilled he said *something* they missed that what he said actually had no teeth in it. In the end it was world opinion, and the US giving up some listening stations in the middle east, that led to the ending of the missile crisis, *NOT* a proactive US government. Too bad Reagan had other career goals at the time.
From: Eeyore on 18 Jan 2007 12:52
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > > >> I have not forgotten Turkey. It is also currently under pressure > >> to become more conservative. > > > >From whom ? > > The ultra conservative clerics and their followers. You really > do need to get the real news. No. Their current Prime Minister is fairly conservative but the real pressure he's under is coming from the EU and it's in precisely the reverse direction to the one you suggest. What btw is this 'real news' you talk of ? Where do *you* get it from ? > >> You should watch all the individual > >> laws and policies that get passed and then unpassed. You really > >> need to listen to the real news. > > > >I do. > > No, unfortunately, you don't. I'm vastly better informed. You continually come up with load of old tosh that you seem to have brainwashed into believing. Heck, you can't even *access* the likes of Al Jazeera using your steam powered PC. Or you choose to use that as an excuse to avoid becoming better informed. Graham |