From: T Wake on
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <epg0g5$pn5$3(a)blue.rahul.net>,
> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>>In article <45BB5BCC.CA4B3110(a)hotmail.com>,
>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>[.....]
>>>> You keep insisting that the people who want to destroy Western
>>>> civilization are criminals. Under whose law?
>>>
>>>The relevant law of the land in question.
>>
>>Also, I believe they violated German law too. Even when they did not act
>>in Germany.
>
> But they didn't violate their own.

So what. If a German comes to the UK and drives at 80MPH on the motorway he
has broken the law and the police can take action. It doesn't matter that he
is allowed to do it at home.

> So, are you really that
> arrogant that you insist your country's criminal laws apply
> everywhere across the globe?

Oh look. Another strawman based on you not understanding the post you are
replying to.

> If so, why are there such things as extradition treaties?

Ha. You really have no idea about extradition treaties do you?


From: T Wake on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <87k5z6udu8.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>,
> Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes:
>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
>>> >> > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>> >> >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>You [jmfbahciv] really do not want to live in a representative
> democracy
>>> do
>>> >> you?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Even a representative democracy needs to have some way to deal
>>> >> >>with the people who go after little kids, and make other kinds
>>> >> >>of messes. A democracy does not, and never has, meant that
>>> >> >>all people can do anything they want without punishment.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >No, but it does mean they have the right to a trial before they're
>>> punished.
>>> >>
>>> >> You keep insisting that the people who want to destroy Western
>>> >> civilization are criminals. Under whose law?
>>> >
>>> >The relevant law of the land in question.
>>>
>>> Muslims don't honor any laws other than their own. So now,
>>> under whose law?
>>
>>The law of the land in question.
>>
>>God you're dense.
>
> I'm not. Islam doesn't have that concept.

First off, incorrect, and secondly so what?


From: T Wake on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes. And it is the method these people are using to deny
> reality. They are not the only ones. We have political leaders
> who are doing the same thing and encouraging this blindness.
> <snip>
>

Go to the library and look up argument from a false premise, appeal to fear
and false dilemma.


From: T Wake on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <epg0dh$pn5$2(a)blue.rahul.net>,
> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>>In article <epfj3s$8qk_006(a)s788.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>[.....]
>>>You keep insisting that the people who want to destroy Western
>>>civilization are criminals. Under whose law?
>>
>>Those who acted in the US broke many US laws before 9/11. The ones in the
>>UK broke many law of the UK. The ones in Spain broke spanish law.
>
> Using your logic, when the Germans invaded France, they broke French law.

You are missing the point by about 15 miles here. You conflate Muslim
extremists with a nation, at the same time as you claim they dont understand
the concept of nations. Amazing.

If a Muslim comes to live in the UK they are just as subject to UK law
("belief" in the law is irrelevant) as Jews, Christians, atheists, Hindus,
Jains (etc) who live in the UK.

> The Germans didn't care about French law. They intended to enforce
> their German law onto all French citizens. And then the plans were
> to enforce German law on the rest of Europe; then the rest of the
> world.
>
> We are in a war no matter how mealy mouths try to pretend it's not
> there.

Nonsense. You just need a short catchy word to express how you are
frightened about the bogeyman coming to get you. That this word has
international connotations and changes the way people interact with their
elected government is not important to you. You *want* to call it a war so
you *will* call it a war.

>>> When a military
>>>group from another country blows up bridges and trains and kills
>>>civilians, I call that a war, not a criminal act.
>>
>>But that isn't what is happening so why to you bring it up?
>
> It is happening. Until a few decades ago, the only "nation" Muslims
> recognized was the Nation of Islam.

Hahahaha.Nonsense.


From: T Wake on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <epgg4o$a46$5(a)blue.rahul.net>,
> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>>In article <M9GdnS-x7KLMOSbYnZ2dnUVZ8qugnZ2d(a)pipex.net>,
>>T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>>[....]
>>>Which country has invaded the US?
>>
>>Pakistan. Didn't you hear about 7/11. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>Note to nonUSAians: Yes, that is a joke. 7/11 is a type of store and a
>>stereotype is that they are run by pakistanies.
>>
> Those people really like our brand of capitalism. Do you think
> they want to go back to the "old ways"?

Are you arguing against yourself now?