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From: Ken Smith on 30 Jan 2007 10:15 In article <epnh59$8qk_005(a)s827.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >In article <epgelk$a46$1(a)blue.rahul.net>, > kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: [.....] >>It may not be "expensive" but good EMI shielding does tend to push the >>cost up a bit. > >It pushes it up a lot. Just the testing cost oodles of money. >Anechoic chambers do not grow on trees. It depends a great deal on what you call "a lot" and how many you are making. The testing only needs to be done a few times initially and then from time to time after that. The cost gets spread over many units. >>It usually requires that the sheet metal makes a good >>connection at the joints and stuff like that. This typically adds a bit >>to the cost. It doesn't add as much as adding an extra cup holder >>however. > >Now implement the production line that is so perfect all leaks >can't get out. Implement all the documentation and engineering >so that anybody, who opens the cabinets, can close them while >leaving no holes nor seams open. So what exactly is your point? The one time cost of setting up the line etc will be spread over many units. This makes it a lot less on a per unit basis. Your last part may not be needed. The maker need not compensate for the totally incompetent working on it. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: jmfbahciv on 30 Jan 2007 10:30 In article <45BF4DB5.EB69736E(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >unsettled wrote: >> >> >> MassiveProng wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Indeed, dipshit. Laugh. You certainly don't have enough brains to >> >> >> > put forth a real argument. >> >> >> >> >> >> LOL, I work with what you give us to work with, which >> >> >> is actually nothing at all. >> >> > >> >> >It has to be said the Mr Massive Pong has nailed you on this one. >> >> >> >> Not really. MP's company didn't manufacture the cases; they >> >> were ordered. That is not manufacturing them. >> > >> >Who did the mechanical design ? That's the important part. Whoever actually >> >bashes the tin is irrelevant. >> >> I thought MP wrote that he made the skins. > >Who physically knocks the metal into shape is irrelevant. I've designed plenty >of metalwork myself. The designer doesn't usually go into the workshop to >physically make it but he is responsible for whether it does the required job. > >What exactly do you mean by skins anyway. Another attempt to confuse the issue ? Skins is the lingo to describe the outside of the boxes. > > > >> >It's about good design you see and good design need not be expensive. >> >> No matter how you slice it, thick skins packaging computer innards >> costs money. > >What is "thick skins packaging" ? The thickness of the material isn't the issue >btw. I thought thickening was one of ways to enclose EMFs. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 30 Jan 2007 10:34 In article <45BF4E3C.65CCC581(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >> >Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>> Not really. MP's company didn't manufacture the cases; they >> >>> were ordered. That is not manufacturing them. >> >> >> >>Who did the mechanical design ? That's the important part. Whoever actually >> >>bashes the tin is irrelevant. >> >> >> >>It's about good design you see and good design need not be expensive. >> > >> >It may not be "expensive" but good EMI shielding does tend to push the >> >cost up a bit. >> >> It pushes it up a lot. Just the testing cost oodles of money. >> Anechoic chambers do not grow on trees. > >Compliance testing is routine these days. Not really. I have to unplug my stove to listen to AM radio. > You don't need an anechoic chamber btw. How do you measure the EMF in "noisy" environments? Or don't you need numbers anymore? > > > >> >It usually requires that the sheet metal makes a good >> >connection at the joints and stuff like that. This typically adds a bit >> >to the cost. It doesn't add as much as adding an extra cup holder >> >however. >> >> Now implement the production line that is so perfect all leaks >> can't get out. > >It shouldn't be the job of the production line. Think about it. The production line has to be designed so that the process doesn't leave any seam untoned. > > >> Implement all the documentation and engineering >> so that anybody, who opens the cabinets, can close them while >> leaving no holes nor seams open. > >Dealt with by design again. There is more to design of manufacturing and assembling than laying out a circuit board by hand. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 30 Jan 2007 10:56 In article <45BD19C7.5AA9DF4E(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > Ken Smith wrote: >> >> T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >> I said: >> >> >> Some Christian cults won't even accept blood transfusions. How insane >> >> >> is that if you're condeming someone to die for a belief when life-saving >> >> >> >> treatment is readily available ? >> >> > >> >> >I hope that if their god does actually exist, they are all sent to hell. >> >> >> >> That is a completely repugnant suggestion. They believe something, they >> >> may be wrong but the only person they harm as a result is themselves. >> >> The fact that they had no evil intent makes them merely mistaken. The fact >> >> >> that they harm themselves only with this belief should not mean a trip to >> >> hell. >> > >> > If they were exclusively harming themselves I'd agree but I've heard of >> > instances ( one quite recently ) where parents sought to prevent doctors >> giving >> > life-saving treatment to their child. I don't recall how that one turned >> out. >> > >> >> Generally the children die and often in pain. This same mindset encourages >> the spread of HIV/AIDS in Africa and prevents new lines of research being >> investigated. All on the whim of an invisible friend no one has really heard >> from in 2000 years. > >I just came across this recent example. >http://www.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth/story.html?id=b2abf344-08e9-4ba6-8 b5d-6d6da31ffeda > >" The combination of Jehovah's Witness parents and six tiny infants who may need >blood transfusions could push the Vancouver sextuplets into the centre of an >emotional religious dispute, one that might even end up in court, experts >suggested yesterday. " Boy, do I smell a rat. They had sextuplets without the services of a fertility clinic? /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 30 Jan 2007 10:57
In article <280e8$45bd0367$49ed0c7$7746(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >Ken Smith wrote: > >> In article <17ednWsKKpGEfibYnZ2dnUVZ8surnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >> T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> [.....] >> >>>>Some Christian cults won't even accept blood transfusions. How insane is >>>>that if >>>>you're condeming someone to die for a belief when life-saving treatment is >>>>readily available ? >>> >>>I hope that if their god does actually exist, they are all sent to hell. >> >> >> That is a completely repugnant suggestion. They believe something, they >> may be wrong but the only person they harm as a result is themselves. The >> fact that they had no evil intent makes them merely mistaken. The fact >> that they harm themselves only with this belief should not mean a trip to >> hell. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >The problem is that they end up killing their children. IOW, they don't breed successfully. /BAH |