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From: Phil Carmody on 4 Feb 2007 05:39 Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: > unsettled wrote: > > MassiveProng wrote: > > > A computer takes what we call DATA, and performs computational tasks > > > on it to turn it into what we call INFOrmation. > > > > > > There is a difference, and you and BAH obviously do not know what > > > that difference is. > > > > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/microcontroller > > > > > > http://m-w.com/dictionary/microcontroller > > > > > > Neither mention the word computer at all. > > > > An electronic device for the storage and processing of information. > > www.micro2000uk.co.uk/hardware_glossary.htm > > I suggest you consider the difference between general purpose and embedded. > > Can BAH's stove print "Hello world" for example ? As someone who's just quit a gig at a very big name semiconductor company which makes everything from milliwatt 8-bits to fire-breathing 64-bit processors, I have to just say THIS BRANCH OF THE THREAD IS NOT WORTH GOING DOWN. Everything's shades of grey, and where people chose to draw the line between black and white is almost completely arbitrary. Notably, I'm not even going to tell you where on that scale I view 'computer' to become an inappropriate term. Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: Eeyore on 4 Feb 2007 05:56 Phil Carmody wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: > > unsettled wrote: > > > MassiveProng wrote: > > > > A computer takes what we call DATA, and performs computational tasks > > > > on it to turn it into what we call INFOrmation. > > > > > > > > There is a difference, and you and BAH obviously do not know what > > > > that difference is. > > > > > > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/microcontroller > > > > > > > > http://m-w.com/dictionary/microcontroller > > > > > > > > Neither mention the word computer at all. > > > > > > An electronic device for the storage and processing of information. > > > www.micro2000uk.co.uk/hardware_glossary.htm > > > > I suggest you consider the difference between general purpose and embedded. > > > > Can BAH's stove print "Hello world" for example ? > > As someone who's just quit a gig at a very big name semiconductor > company which makes everything from milliwatt 8-bits to fire-breathing > 64-bit processors, I have to just say > > THIS BRANCH OF THE THREAD IS NOT WORTH GOING DOWN. > > Everything's shades of grey, and where people chose to draw > the line between black and white is almost completely arbitrary. > > Notably, I'm not even going to tell you where on that scale I > view 'computer' to become an inappropriate term. I will though. I expect a computer to have some decent input and output devices / ports. A few buttons and a 4 character display don't cut it for example. Graham
From: jmfbahciv on 4 Feb 2007 07:21 In article <MPG.202ea6899fc4bb25989f54(a)news.individual.net>, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >In article <eq23j4$8qk_002(a)s939.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... >> In article <gm08s2luj0mrj73m00vt7isc8sb4kvt630(a)4ax.com>, >> MassiveProng <MassiveProng(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote: >> >On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:11:52 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> >> >Gave us: >> > >> >>MassiveProng wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 02 Feb 07 14:04:45 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com Gave us: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>In article <8e65s297p2fs3tfodc3mk1rmqu2phstukv(a)4ax.com>, >> >>>> MassiveProng <MassiveProng(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>>On Thu, 01 Feb 07 12:46:52 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com Gave us: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>It isn't the burners. It is the computer board in the stove that >> >>>>>>is bad. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The stove has a clock, a cooking timer, and maybe some thermal probe >> >>>>>monitoring ports. That isn't a computer. >> >>>> >> >>>>It has one board. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Which incorporates all the items I listed above. Being a single >> >>> board STILL does NOT make it a computer. >> >>> >> >>> Nice attempt at a sidestep, though. >> >> >> >>Your definitions are, to coin a phrase, unique. >> > >> > You're an idiot. I work in the industry. >> > >> > It would be termed a micro-controller, at best. >> > >> > STILL NOT a computer. >> > >> >>"An electronic device for the storage and processing of information." >> > >> > A calculator would fit the definition. It isn't a computer either. >> >It IS a calculator. >> > >> > The controller in an oven is a micro-controller, nothing more. >> > >> > The consumer device has to have Windows CE or the like on it, and >> >have a user interface with a gui to BE a computer. >> >> <spluttering emoticon wipes oatmeal off screen> > >Come on BAH! Didn't the PDP-10 run Windows CE? I often wish that those guys had spent one more month playing on the -10 system. They might have learned about buffer mode I/O and how to do memory management. <snip> >> > You really have more people laughing at you than you realize. >> >> Riiight. > >Well, there is one, evidently. You guys laugh at what I say a lot. I *finally* got to use my expensive VRRROOOMMM machine. Then spent the rest of my energy chipping ice with what was left. I only had two inches to blow. It must have rained a some point. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 4 Feb 2007 07:23 In article <c210f$45c4b5ea$cdd084f9$19408(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> In article <87veije0z8.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, >> Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >>> >>>>In article <87d54rfki2.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, >>>> Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >>>>> >>>>>>In article <87lkjggic8.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, >>>>>> Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Saddam broke a long tradition which was Arab didn't attack Arab. >>>>>>>>I think this is going to be viewed as a crucial point in world >>>>>>>>history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Which event are you referring to here? Which particular Arabs >>>>>>>did he attack and when? (It's not obvious from the context.) >>>>>> >>>>>>When Saddam tried to annex Kuwait. >>>>> >>>>>That's what I assumed. You do realise that you've just brought >>>>>up another example that weakens your own argument from about >>>>>half a dozen posts back? >>>> >>>>I'm sure all kinds of facts contradict each other in this case. >>> >>>Unfortunately, you're hoarding the lion's share. >>> >>> >>>>It is a complicated issue and isn't going to be solved with a >>>>STOP, RESET, RESTART procedure. It's also clear that this group, >>>>who keep trying to prove me wrong, doesn't have any idea how >>>>these Muslims live, think or believe. You are making conclusions >>>>based on zero knowledge. >>> >>>In this thread, I do make conclusions from your posts. >> >> >> Once in while, I wish you would make one before you negate >> the contents of my words. >> >> /BAH > >Phil appears to have a number of personal agendas >and some personality disorders. Appeals to logic, >God forbid common sense, are going to continue to >fall on deaf ears. > >I've tried to address these sorts of people, to no >avail. Parry with him if you're having fun. I >found him boring. They make an ideal field test site. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 4 Feb 2007 07:25
In article <45C4C99E.5FE95E2D(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> It's also clear that this group, who keep trying to prove me wrong, doesn't >> have any idea how these Muslims live, think or believe. > >And you do ? I'm learning. It became my high priority after 9/11. > >Do tell about your real-world experience of Muslims. My experience wouldn't have included people who eschewed Western technology. In order to know how to fight and defend from these people, I need to know my enemy. /BAH |