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From: Ken Smith on 3 Feb 2007 19:35 In article <45C5201F.C179A0D5(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: [.... computer .....] >I suggest you consider the difference between general purpose and embedded. > >Can BAH's stove print "Hello world" for example ? Could Colossus? > >Graham > > -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: MassiveProng on 3 Feb 2007 19:54 On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:15:21 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> Gave us: >MassiveProng wrote: > >> On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:43:56 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> >> Gave us: >> >> >>>MassiveProng wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Try again, please. Just so you know, the definition put up by the >>>>unsettledTard is not correct either. >>> >>>I get mine from reasonable sources on the internet, with >>>the appropriate URL displayed in close proximity. >>> >>>Your definitions, on the other hand, are unique. >> >> >> A microcontroller does not compute. It responds to hardware input, >> and responds explicitly in hardware. >> >> The oven has a clock, a timer that is tied to that clock, and power >> links to oven elements that the timer can CONTROL, as well as thermal >> inputs that get referred to. There are no computations made. >> >> A computer takes what we call DATA, and performs computational tasks >> on it to turn it into what we call INFOrmation. >> >> There is a difference, and you and BAH obviously do not know what >> that difference is. >> >> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/microcontroller >> >> http://m-w.com/dictionary/microcontroller >> >> Neither mention the word computer at all. > >An electronic device for the storage and processing of information. >www.micro2000uk.co.uk/hardware_glossary.htm They do not process any information. Look up the word information. They control hardware switches, and cause hardware switches to be thrown. BIG difference.
From: unsettled on 3 Feb 2007 20:43 MassiveProng wrote: > On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:15:21 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> > Gave us: > > >>MassiveProng wrote: >> >> >>>On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:43:56 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> >>>Gave us: >>> >>> >>> >>>>MassiveProng wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Try again, please. Just so you know, the definition put up by the >>>>>unsettledTard is not correct either. >>>> >>>>I get mine from reasonable sources on the internet, with >>>>the appropriate URL displayed in close proximity. >>>> >>>>Your definitions, on the other hand, are unique. >>> >>> >>> A microcontroller does not compute. It responds to hardware input, >>>and responds explicitly in hardware. >>> >>> The oven has a clock, a timer that is tied to that clock, and power >>>links to oven elements that the timer can CONTROL, as well as thermal >>>inputs that get referred to. There are no computations made. >>> >>> A computer takes what we call DATA, and performs computational tasks >>>on it to turn it into what we call INFOrmation. >>> >>> There is a difference, and you and BAH obviously do not know what >>>that difference is. >>> >>>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/microcontroller I looked at this and it says a CPU is integral, following the hotlink for CPU in the article leads to another which defines this as a computer. >>>http://m-w.com/dictionary/microcontroller This one leads to a Britannica article. I don't subscribe. >>> Neither mention the word computer at all. Wrong. >>An electronic device for the storage and processing of information. >>www.micro2000uk.co.uk/hardware_glossary.htm > They do not process any information. Look up the word information. > They control hardware switches, and cause hardware switches to be > thrown. > BIG difference. Once again your definitions are unique. Don't forget you're posting to a physics newsgroup. Pedestrian definitions follow: data: a collection of facts from which conclusions may be drawn wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn (definition of information) "Data that has been processed to add or create meaning and hopefully knowledge for the person who receives it. Information is the output of information systems." dssresources.com/glossary/dssglossary1999.html "That which is extracted from a compilation of data in response to a specific need." www.utmb.edu/is/security/glossary.htm (definition of information" "Organized data which is understood to have significance and meaning." www.christlinks.com/glossary2.html (definition of information) "Facts, concepts, or instructions; any sort of knowledge or supposition which can be communicated." cedar.web.cern.ch/CEDAR/glossary.html (definition of information) "Messages used as the basis for decision-making.: www.pbs.org/weta/myjourneyhome/teachers/glossary.html (definition of information) This is obviously too complex for your technician mind to wrap itself around.
From: mmeron on 3 Feb 2007 22:40 In article <Ic9xh.7553$O02.4074(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>, Fred Kasner <fkasner(a)sbcglobal.net> writes: > >The work in the first nuclear reactor (at the west stands of Stagg Field >a the U. of Chicago) Right across the street from my office, I can see the monument from my window. > was the experiments that Fermi et alia used to >demonstrate the reality of sustained nuclear fission as well as to breed >some plutonium. They were not certain that the process would be self >sustaining. Indeed, they couldn't be sure of anything. It was a journey into the unknown. > Fermi who was the experimenter and theoretician par >excellence had missed fission many years earlier. He wasn't going to go >off half-cocked in this endeavor. >FK Fermi was a rarity, physics could use couple more like him. As you said, a great experimenter and a great theoretician. Very few like him in the history of physics, fewer yet in this era of specialization. Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: Eeyore on 4 Feb 2007 00:25
unsettled wrote: > MassiveProng wrote: > > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> Gave us: > >>MassiveProng wrote: > >>> > >>> A computer takes what we call DATA, and performs computational tasks > >>>on it to turn it into what we call INFOrmation. > >>> > >>> There is a difference, and you and BAH obviously do not know what > >>>that difference is. > >>> > >>>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/microcontroller > > I looked at this and it says a CPU is integral, following > the hotlink for CPU in the article leads to another which > defines this as a computer. There is no way in the world that a CPU is a computer. That you should even make such a suggestion is the proof that you're clueless. Graham |