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From: lucasea on 2 Oct 2006 13:35 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45214934.C22CE6C9(a)hotmail.com... > > > Jim Thompson wrote: > >> What is your street address? I have some buddies at Ohio State that >> are just drooling for the chance to "meet" you ;-) > > Presumably a threat of physical violence again ? > > Do you Americans know nothing else ? Graham, while I do agree with much that you say, I really do wish you would learn to distinguish between 'Murc'ns of Jim's ilk, and those of us who choose to think about issues, and not just respond on a simplistic gut level. You're just as guilty of the fallacy of "guilt by association" in assuming that all US residents/citizens are the same, as you say Meron, Jim and other Americans are by lumping all radical Islamist terrorists together. In neither case does labelling allow for intelligent discussion. On the other hand, maybe that's not anybody's aim, in which I return you to the regularly scheduled pissing matches.... Eric Lucas
From: Jim Thompson on 2 Oct 2006 13:36 On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:24:24 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> I've seen very few French tourists here in AZ... probably because >> they'd be shunned ;-) > > > The ones I've met in Florida were quite rude, and about as ignorant >as the donkey. They think we owe them a huge favor because they came >here to harass us. :( When I hear them in restaurants I say something like, "Le peuple de la France est ignorant" ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: Homer J Simpson on 2 Oct 2006 13:42 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4520C2BD.B2E1DB4F(a)hotmail.com... > All religions seem to have these issues. In Christianity we have the > conflict > between the values of the Old and New Testaments for example. It's my > understanding that a similar situation arises in Islam between the early ( > almost liberal ) and late ( reactionary ) teachings of Mohammed. Isn't the biggest problem the fact that Mohammed was illiterate and wrote no books? Quote: ======================================== Since Muhammad and his several hundred companions were completely illiterate (could not read or write) and Muhammad had a poor memory; thus, his companions memorized for him the Quranic verses they plagiarized/concocted. But in the battle of Yamamah, almost all his companions were killed and the original Quranic verses were lost forever and was never compiled in writing before Muhammad himself was killed by food poisoning in 632 A.D. by a Jewish slave, who said, "If you are a true Apostle, Allah would have saved you". Caliph Abu Bakr (632-634A.D.) then entrusted Zayed Ibn Thabit to compile the Quran, from memories of Muhammad's illiterate wives, concubines, slaves, and a few contacts; who claimed to have heard Muhammad and his companions utter various verses. Zayed managed to gather an estimated 7,900 verses. But this first compilation of the Quran, with numerous contradictions, ridicule, confusions, and errors, created a lot of trouble and huge problems arose over the years. Under the caliphate of Uthman (644-656 A.D.), he was compelled to withdraw all the distributed, handwritten copies of the Qurans and burnt them. Zayed was again ordered for the second time, to recompile and re-edit the Quran more sensibly and convincingly from his original Quran, kept with Hafsa (Muhammad's widow). Zayed did the best he could in re-editing the Quran and more than 2,000 contradictory, confusing, erroneous and illogical verses were abrogated (cancelled), some were replaced, and others added/borrowed to make sense of the cancellations/replacements. ======================================== I don't know the truth of this but if true it explains a lot. It would seem that these Caliphs were like Saul of Tarsus in that they virtually re-invented the religion.
From: Homer J Simpson on 2 Oct 2006 13:42 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45212990.21CDD5C4(a)hotmail.com... > Assuming there's any truth in it, I'd expect the Muslim names to have a > poorer > result. To give an explanation I'd suggest a tradition of 'less flexible > thinking' as a reason. A similar test in the US with black and white sounding names (Shaniqua vs. Sharon) had a less significant but still measurable result.
From: Jim Thompson on 2 Oct 2006 13:43
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:35:27 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:45214934.C22CE6C9(a)hotmail.com... >> >> >> Jim Thompson wrote: >> >>> What is your street address? I have some buddies at Ohio State that >>> are just drooling for the chance to "meet" you ;-) >> >> Presumably a threat of physical violence again ? >> >> Do you Americans know nothing else ? > > >Graham, while I do agree with much that you say, I really do wish you would >learn to distinguish between 'Murc'ns of Jim's ilk, and those of us who >choose to think about issues, and not just respond on a simplistic gut >level. You're just as guilty of the fallacy of "guilt by association" in >assuming that all US residents/citizens are the same, as you say Meron, Jim >and other Americans are by lumping all radical Islamist terrorists together. >In neither case does labelling allow for intelligent discussion. On the >other hand, maybe that's not anybody's aim, in which I return you to the >regularly scheduled pissing matches.... > >Eric Lucas > "lumping all radical Islamist terrorists together" Yep. Think about that sentence, if you're actually capable of thinking ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |