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From: jmfbahciv on 17 Oct 2006 07:23 In article <vc97j2t5u0ugeni9jnqks988b3db7aounl(a)4ax.com>, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Mon, 16 Oct 06 09:53:59 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >>In article <45322D41.6B0FA0F9(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>John Larkin wrote: >>> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >Its interesting that the other "non wins" you mention are from almost >>200 >>>> >> >years ago. We have lost more recent wars as well. We can compare this >>to >>>> >> >Vietnam, I suppose. >>>> >> >>>> >> Which was a French mess and a continuation of WWII. >>>> > >>>> >It had ZILCH to do with WW2. >>>> > >>>> >Graham >>>> >>>> How could *anything* that happened after WWII have zilch to do with >>>> WWII? >>> >>>So WW2 is responsible for *everything* ???????? >>> >>Did you think that a political climate that culiminated with >>WWII went away when people quit fighting? > >It certainly changed. Communism was a lot different in philosophy and >tactics from facism. Which Communism? From the little I've studied, Russia's seems to be the same peasant economy without one individual ruler who inherited the job. China's (from reading and observation) seems to have been the only method to restore the country's resources and survival. China was being run by the Ottoman's equivalent of Jannissaries. This seems to be a key to the cessation of a political and economic empire. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure all of this out. /BAH
From: Eeyore on 17 Oct 2006 08:27 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote > > >> Do you understand that the leader of N. Korea is also its Godhead? > >> Demonstrating power is a natural act for this kind of thinking. > > > >A methodology not unlike that weilded by the President of the United States. > > You appear to be utterly, one hundred percent, completely > ignorant about how the US governs itself. You appear to be 100% ignorant of humour. Graham
From: jmfbahciv on 17 Oct 2006 07:32 In article <FdZYg.9$45.140(a)news.uchicago.edu>, mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: >In article <vc97j2t5u0ugeni9jnqks988b3db7aounl(a)4ax.com>, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> writes: >>On Mon, 16 Oct 06 09:53:59 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>>In article <45322D41.6B0FA0F9(a)hotmail.com>, >>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>> >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >Its interesting that the other "non wins" you mention are from almost >>>200 >>>>> >> >years ago. We have lost more recent wars as well. We can compare this >>>to >>>>> >> >Vietnam, I suppose. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Which was a French mess and a continuation of WWII. >>>>> > >>>>> >It had ZILCH to do with WW2. >>>>> > >>>>> >Graham >>>>> >>>>> How could *anything* that happened after WWII have zilch to do with >>>>> WWII? >>>> >>>>So WW2 is responsible for *everything* ???????? >>>> >>>Did you think that a political climate that culiminated with >>>WWII went away when people quit fighting? >> >>It certainly changed. Communism was a lot different in philosophy and >>tactics from facism. >> >Oh, of course. The point, though, is that war doesn't end when some >formal documents are signed, it really ends when stability is >restored. In the case of a great war, where a lot of the existing >international structure is destroyed, restoring stability can take a very >long time. And WWI (yes, I mean WWI, WWII was just a continuation >after a short breather) was such a cataclismic event that its effects >are still lingering. > Thank you. We aren't taught this in US schools. It took me a while to accept that Viet Nam was a part of WWII that wasn't finished in deference to France. I guess there was such a big mess to clean up in Europe, these kinds of matters were put at the bottom of things to do when there is more time and money. I'm still trying to figure out how people keep track of all these kinds of details when they're having things we call summit meetings. /BAH /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 17 Oct 2006 07:33 In article <4533B227.6594D9D7(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >So WW2 is responsible for *everything* ???????? >> >> Did you think that a political climate that culiminated with >> WWII went away when people quit fighting? War endings are >> never like a FORTRAN program where the CALL to EXIT stops >> everything. > >So everything also caused by WW1 then. > It appears that you are incapable of thinking. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 17 Oct 2006 07:50
In article <iso7j2lhfmp90cm6mb8ls5ksc6gr6s2vcu(a)4ax.com>, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:42:13 +0100, "T Wake" ><usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >> >>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:4533B227.6594D9D7(a)hotmail.com... >>> >>> >>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >So WW2 is responsible for *everything* ???????? >>>> >>>> Did you think that a political climate that culiminated with >>>> WWII went away when people quit fighting? War endings are >>>> never like a FORTRAN program where the CALL to EXIT stops >>>> everything. >>> >>> So everything also caused by WW1 then. >> >>Everything was caused by the Peloponnesian War. >> > >Yes. History is a chaotic butterfly-effect process. Of course, chaotic >processes are still causal, and a chaotic system can still be managed, >pushed and made to move in some direction. It's just that the time >scale of predictability shortens the more nonlinear and chaotic a >system is. I no longer think that human matters can be mapped to this kind of effect. It's more similar to EMF or an infinite-node network but I haven't spent much time thinking about this. > >WWII shook up the entire world, and many of its effcts are still >fairly obvious. The Boer War and the Peloponnesian war changes our >world, but the causalities are too churned up now to be as obvious. > >As to why the US acts as the world's cop, I think that's the wrong noun to use. > WWII is pretty much still >the answer. That could change with some pushing, which nobody seems up >to so far. Pushing in certain areas is not the best way to prevent future messes. I've found that the only way for people to learn how not make new messes is to have them clean up the ones they already made. Then there are the ones who intend to make big messes because it is their religious mandate to make uncleanable messes. This requires a different approach. /BAH |