From: John Larkin on
On Tue, 17 Oct 06 11:50:44 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:


>Pushing in certain areas is not the best way to prevent future
>messes. I've found that the only way for people to learn how
>not make new messes is to have them clean up the ones they
>already made.
>

Excellent. Care to assign cleanup duties in the Middle East and
Africa?

John

From: T Wake on

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> Any church that
>> dabbles in politics by telling their congregation how to vote should have
>> their tax-exempt status revoked.
>
> So what's stopping ppl ?
>


The church makes sure no one votes for that legislation.




:-)


From: T Wake on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <eh01t4$ape$6(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>,
> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
>>In article <egt5d4$8u0_001(a)s995.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>In article <LQ8Yg.11488$vJ2.5165(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:egqcsa$8qk_001(a)s961.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
>>>>> In article <45306AD8.B490EBFB(a)hotmail.com>,
>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>The rest of the world loathes the USA. They didn't used to.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, it absolutely *is* wrong for the rest of the world to hate the USA.
> We
>>>>do a lot of good for the world. We really should stop behaving in such
>>>>a
>>>>way that makes other countries forget the good that we do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> You've had to work hard to
>>>>>>get to that position.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you think that the first goal of the US is to be liked by
> everyone?
>>>>
>>>>That's a strawman. Our goal should be not to be hated by everyone.
>>>
>>>That is wrong. Our goal should be to know what is in the
>>>best interest of the nation and its people.
>>
>>That's what Hitler thought too.
>
> Of course. The decision to be made then was it the world would
> be under a Germanic rule. There were a set of countries who
> disagreed and were willing to physically fight to the death
> to preserve their living style. The world is having a similar
> conflict now. It seems that you are willing to let others
> die to preserve your living style.

Interesting turn around. I am willing to die to protect my living style.
This means not changing the way I live. Soldiers killing Arabs while new
laws removing previously held freedoms is _not_ protecting my style of
living.

It seems you are the one supporting sending soldiers to a foreign land to
die, while at the same time willing to dismantle parts of your living style
simply to stay alive.


From: John Larkin on
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:45:03 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan
<jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:50:18 -0700, John Larkin
><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:38:17 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Jonathan Kirwan" <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote in message
>>>news:i9n8j29atodlsous5hl3bpuk1avrj0s9a4(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:39:16 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Nicely written.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>>Ever heard of a dinky, crappy little liberal arts college called Kent
>>>>>State?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how you intend that to be applied, of course, since you
>>>> don't say what you are thinking here.
>>>
>>>Sorry if that sounded snotty--no hidden agenda, just the obvious example of
>>>troops being ordered into a situation and attacking their own people.
>>
>>Somehow it never occurred to me to throw rocks at armed National Guard
>>troops.
>
>And by that comment do you mean to justify the application of deadly
>force and the taking of lives in this particular circumstance? Just
>curious.
>

Of course not. But if you do really, really stupid things, you can get
hurt, no different from poking a pit bull with a stick. As I said, I
wouldn't throw rocks at people with guns; I don't fancy being in the
right, and dead.

John

From: John Larkin on
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:56:01 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
>news:0su9j2tbgmi1lk9probji10efek75h3uf1(a)4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:38:17 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Jonathan Kirwan" <jkirwan(a)easystreet.com> wrote in message
>>>news:i9n8j29atodlsous5hl3bpuk1avrj0s9a4(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:39:16 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Nicely written.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>>Ever heard of a dinky, crappy little liberal arts college called Kent
>>>>>State?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how you intend that to be applied, of course, since you
>>>> don't say what you are thinking here.
>>>
>>>Sorry if that sounded snotty--no hidden agenda, just the obvious example
>>>of
>>>troops being ordered into a situation and attacking their own people.
>>>
>> Somehow it never occurred to me to throw rocks at armed National Guard
>> troops.
>
>Agreed, but those were pretty extreme times.

I was in college at exactly those times. The vast majority of the
protesters were partying twits.

John