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From: lucasea on 2 Nov 2006 12:33 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:5578b$454a10c6$49ecfab$24208(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >> news:3c732$4549ec30$4fe7336$23388(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> >>>Eeyore wrote: >>> >>> >>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I am not talking about oil becoming uncompetitive. I am talking >>>>>about oil suddenly becoming unavailable. That should be a >>>>>scenario considered by all heads of state, not just the US. >>>> >>>> >>>>It's not going to happen short of nuclear war. >>> >>>You're obviously not old enough to personally >>>remember the fuel crisis of the early 1970's. >> >> >> First you say you're not talking about an embargo, > > Who are you talking about? Your imaginary conflation > of two distinct individuals? > >> then as evidence that it will happen, > > Oil becoming unavailable by embargo is a historical > fact. I never said it wasn't....although strictly speaking, the 1970s embargo just tightened supply, it didn't become "unavailable". It was the US government's braindead decision to impose price controls that prevented demand from matching the reduced supply through price increases, thereby creating shortages. As others have pointed out, everywhere else that allowed the price to float only experienced higher prices and as a result, reduced consumption, not unavailability. > The discussion you led us into has to do with > can/can't happen. Uh, no....please try to keep up. I was pointing out that if it does happen it won't matter a whit if we've built hundreds of nuclear plants or not, since we will not have the electric cars to make use of the increased supply of electricity. Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 2 Nov 2006 12:35 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:7be0f$454a0e8d$49ecfab$24139(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:eicnhp$8qk_007(a)s950.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> >>>I listen to people and their stories rather than cite an >>>anonymous survey put out by the government. >> >> And yet when it comes to "knowing about Islam", you prefer to believe >> books of undefined veracity, instead of actually speaking to Muslims. > > "Believers" are the last ones to listen to. > >> You will use any rationalization to listen to what you want to listen to, >> because it supports your preexisting belief structure. > > If you had an open mind you'd be listening rather than > preaching. I do listen--plenty, to all sides of the issues. Just not to wackos like you. Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 2 Nov 2006 12:36 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:d38ed$454a0d9f$49ecfab$24139(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >> news:11089$45495c2e$4fe7052$20335(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> >>>Eeyore wrote: >>> >>> >>>>unsettled wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>In article <4546F871.E7AD0EB5(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>unsettled wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Also compare the availability of goods and services in Europe >>>>>>>>and other places in the world to ours. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What !!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Are you being funny ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>No, he's not. There are a lot of Europeans who come to the US >>>>>>to shop. >>>>> >>>>>There have been many flights bringing Europeans to shop at >>>>>the Mall of America in Minnesota. >>>> >>>> >>>>Cite ? >>> >>>Stuff it, fool. I've been there and talked with some of >>>the people. I've also shopped at Gurnee Mills which is >>>a one story affair with a mile long zig-zag mall under >>>roof. I first ran into them there, later at Mall of >>>America. >>> >>>Mall of America is so large, for your information, that >>>there's an amusement park in the center, including a >>>roller coaster. It set itself up to be an international >>>destination. You don't suppose that a setup like that >>>could be supported solely by sales to the Twin Cities >>>and Minnesota folks within an easy drive, do you? >> >> >> And yet despite all that, you still only have a handful of anecdotes from >> a few travellers who have done it. Useless. If you're going to claim >> "there have been many flights...", you better supply data on it, >> otherwise you're being hoodwinked by the very same thing you chastise >> other people for--seeing only the evidence they want to see. > > > Bwahahahaha. Trying to create a hard science where there is none? Hey, I wasn't the one that made the unsupportable claim, based on a few anecdotes. Eric Lucas
From: unsettled on 2 Nov 2006 12:42 lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > news:5578b$454a10c6$49ecfab$24208(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > >>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >> >>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>news:3c732$4549ec30$4fe7336$23388(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>> >>> >>>>Eeyore wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I am not talking about oil becoming uncompetitive. I am talking >>>>>>about oil suddenly becoming unavailable. That should be a >>>>>>scenario considered by all heads of state, not just the US. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It's not going to happen short of nuclear war. >>>> >>>>You're obviously not old enough to personally >>>>remember the fuel crisis of the early 1970's. >>> >>> >>>First you say you're not talking about an embargo, >> >>Who are you talking about? Your imaginary conflation >>of two distinct individuals? >> >> >>>then as evidence that it will happen, >> >>Oil becoming unavailable by embargo is a historical >>fact. > > > I never said it wasn't....although strictly speaking, the 1970s embargo just > tightened supply, it didn't become "unavailable". It was the US > government's braindead decision to impose price controls that prevented > demand from matching the reduced supply through price increases, thereby > creating shortages. As others have pointed out, everywhere else that > allowed the price to float only experienced higher prices and as a result, > reduced consumption, not unavailability. > > > >>The discussion you led us into has to do with >>can/can't happen. > > > Uh, no....please try to keep up. I was pointing out that if it does happen > it won't matter a whit if we've built hundreds of nuclear plants or not, > since we will not have the electric cars to make use of the increased supply > of electricity. In the US we have what can only be described as an overkill in residential electrical services. The minimum permitted these days is 100 Amps @ 240 volts. In fact, people are being forced to upgrade to that minimum by their homeowners insurance. So rthe plain fact is we could easily and quickly switch most free standing residences to electric heat in a big hurry if the need arises. Manufacturing and distributing electric baseboard or, even simpler, plenum style heating elements, is trivial. Electric domestic water heaters are simple devices. Automobiles form part of our consumption. There are many other uses, including significant industrial consumption. That fact that copper prices more than doubled in the past year bodes badly.
From: unsettled on 2 Nov 2006 12:43
lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > news:d38ed$454a0d9f$49ecfab$24139(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > >>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >> >>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>news:11089$45495c2e$4fe7052$20335(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>> >>> >>>>Eeyore wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>unsettled wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>In article <4546F871.E7AD0EB5(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>unsettled wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Also compare the availability of goods and services in Europe >>>>>>>>>and other places in the world to ours. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What !!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Are you being funny ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No, he's not. There are a lot of Europeans who come to the US >>>>>>>to shop. >>>>>> >>>>>>There have been many flights bringing Europeans to shop at >>>>>>the Mall of America in Minnesota. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Cite ? >>>> >>>>Stuff it, fool. I've been there and talked with some of >>>>the people. I've also shopped at Gurnee Mills which is >>>>a one story affair with a mile long zig-zag mall under >>>>roof. I first ran into them there, later at Mall of >>>>America. >>>> >>>>Mall of America is so large, for your information, that >>>>there's an amusement park in the center, including a >>>>roller coaster. It set itself up to be an international >>>>destination. You don't suppose that a setup like that >>>>could be supported solely by sales to the Twin Cities >>>>and Minnesota folks within an easy drive, do you? >>> >>> >>>And yet despite all that, you still only have a handful of anecdotes from >>>a few travellers who have done it. Useless. If you're going to claim >>>"there have been many flights...", you better supply data on it, >>>otherwise you're being hoodwinked by the very same thing you chastise >>>other people for--seeing only the evidence they want to see. >> >> >>Bwahahahaha. Trying to create a hard science where there is none? > > > Hey, I wasn't the one that made the unsupportable claim, based on a few > anecdotes. BS, you do it constantly. |