From: Eeyore on


unsettled wrote:

> MooseFET wrote:
> > unsettled wrote:
> > [....]
> >
> >
> >>Here's one example. UK doesn't recognize ADD or ADHD in
> >>kids a treatable condition.
> >
> >
> > See:
> > http://premium.netdoktor.com/uk/adhd/treatment/psychological/article.jsp?articleIdent=uk.adhd.treatment.psychological.uk_adhd_xmlarticle_004703
>
> In practical terms, this is just a bit like the last FSU
> cosntitution with flowery ideas but no follow through. In
> the US, check with your local schools to find out how they
> avoid their legal responsibilities related to ADHD.

What *are* you going on about. ADHD *is* treated in the UK !
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=40

Introduction
Symptoms
Causes
Diagnosis
Treatment
Selected links

Graham

From: Eeyore on


unsettled wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>I am not talking about oil becoming uncompetitive. I am talking
> >>about oil suddenly becoming unavailable. That should be a
> >>scenario considered by all heads of state, not just the US.
> >
> >
> > It's not going to happen short of nuclear war.
>
> You're obviously not old enough to personally
> remember the fuel crisis of the early 1970's.

I do. I even have the fuel rationing vouchers had they been needed.

I doubt the Arabs would get away with it another time.

Graham


From: lucasea on

"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message
news:619a0$45495a97$4fe7052$20314(a)DIALUPUSA.NET...
> Eeyore wrote:
>
>>
>> unsettled wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Eeyore wrote:
>>>
>>>>unsettled wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>MooseFET wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>unsettled wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Where there's national health insurance, which is universal
>>>>>>>in any given country, where does the money come from? From
>>>>>>>the unemployed, perhaps?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It also comes from the employers but less money is required so the US
>>>>>>employers who provide health insurance are placed at a disadvantage.
>>>>>>In the US health care costs about 60% more than in Canada so US
>>>>>>employers are at a disadvantage to that degree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is some compensating advantage in that in Canada, you have to
>>>>>>spend hugely on heating so your workers don't freeze to death on the
>>>>>>shop floor.
>>>>>
>>>>>I really love this. You actually think you're getting
>>>>>something for nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>>It's less expensive the 'socialist' way.
>>>
>>>Hoodwinked. Bwahahahahahaha.
>>>
>>>Never.
>>
>>
>> It's a simple fact.
>>
>> USA 2003 $1.7 trillion.
>> ( $5666 per head of population )
>> http://www.kaiseredu.org/topics_im.asp?imID=1&parentID=61&id=358
>>
>> UK NHS budget ?76.4 billion.
>> ( ? 1273 per head of population )
>> http://www.dh.gov.uk/PublicationsAndStatistics/PressReleases/PressReleasesNotices/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=4127292&chk=HDOR9C
>>
>> And of course in the USA it's only those with health insurance who get
>> proper
>> treatment.
>
> The figures aren't directly comparable as you'd have us
> believe. But you really need to figure that out for
> yourself because even when you're led to water you
> refuse to drink.
>
> Here's one example. UK doesn't recognize ADD or ADHD in
> kids a treatable condition.

And many health care experts in the US say both conditions are *badly*
overprescribed. I think the Brits got this one right, and if it takes
nationalized health care to keep a check on this sort of thing, fine by me.


> If you look you can find many such discrepancies. Also
> US health insurance pays for Chiropractics, message
> therapy, and other alternative therapies. Lotsa luck
> getting the National Health to pay for many of those.

As it should be.

Eric Lucas


From: lucasea on

"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message
news:11089$45495c2e$4fe7052$20335(a)DIALUPUSA.NET...
> Eeyore wrote:
>
>>
>> unsettled wrote:
>>
>>
>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <4546F871.E7AD0EB5(a)hotmail.com>,
>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>unsettled wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Also compare the availability of goods and services in Europe
>>>>>>and other places in the world to ours.
>>>>>
>>>>>What !!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you being funny ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, he's not. There are a lot of Europeans who come to the US
>>>>to shop.
>>>
>>>There have been many flights bringing Europeans to shop at
>>>the Mall of America in Minnesota.
>>
>>
>> Cite ?
>
> Stuff it, fool. I've been there and talked with some of
> the people. I've also shopped at Gurnee Mills which is
> a one story affair with a mile long zig-zag mall under
> roof. I first ran into them there, later at Mall of
> America.
>
> Mall of America is so large, for your information, that
> there's an amusement park in the center, including a
> roller coaster. It set itself up to be an international
> destination. You don't suppose that a setup like that
> could be supported solely by sales to the Twin Cities
> and Minnesota folks within an easy drive, do you?

And yet despite all that, you still only have a handful of anecdotes from a
few travellers who have done it. Useless. If you're going to claim "there
have been many flights...", you better supply data on it, otherwise you're
being hoodwinked by the very same thing you chastise other people
for--seeing only the evidence they want to see.

Eric Lucas


From: lucasea on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:eicme4$8qk_001(a)s950.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com...
>
> Yes. That's what our politicians want us to endure. I've listened
> to Canadian wives whose husbands had to wait for treatment. They
> were very critical of the medical systems. But they will never
> say that out loud in front of their men because that would deflate
> the confidence of these males in their health care. That loss can be
> fatal for men.

That "woo-woo-woo" sound you hear is the men in white coats coming to take
you away.

Eric Lucas