From: Eeyore on


T Wake wrote:

> Which seems to pretty much support the claim that the NFZ were _not_ part of
> the cease fire agreement.

Those with functioning memories will recal that under the terms of the cease
fire, all Iraqi Military flights were banned to begin with but the Iraqis made a
case for continued flights by helicopters.

These helicopters were subsequently used to attack the Shias for sure and maybe
the Kurds too and hence the NFZs came into play. IIRC btw.


Graham

From: unsettled on
lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message
> news:82161$454f7cda$4fe7386$32592(a)DIALUPUSA.NET...
>
>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message
>>>news:ce217$454f7793$4fe7386$32431(a)DIALUPUSA.NET...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>>>>>>In the American lexicon, any work which pays less than
>>>>>>the maximum going rate is "volunteering."
>>>>>
>>>>>So, teachers are volunteers. Policemen, firemen, ...
>>>>>
>>>>>Airline pilots who work for smaller airlines are volunteers too...
>>>>
>>>>I am pleased to announce that you and I live
>>>>in rather different worlds.
>>>
>>>So what exactly, pray tell, did you mean by your gem: "In the American
>>>lexicon, any work which pays less than the maximum going rate is
>>>'volunteering'."???
>>
>>It is a simple sentence. Learn to parse.
>
>
> Parker's response was a fair one, since each of those people make
> substantially less than "the maximum going rate", and none of them is, as a
> class or workers, volunteers. I therefore thought I would give you a chance
> to explain your idiotic statement.
>
> I've polled 20 people that I work with, and none of them can figure out what
> the hell you're talking about. None of us thinks that "any work which pays
> less than the maximum going rate is 'volunteering'". We're all Americans,
> and your wacky definition is not in *our* lexicon.
>
> Or was this just another attempt to muddy the waters and "act superior" when
> nobody can figure out what the hell you mean?

So sorry, you appear to have hurt your brain trying
to figure it out.

I don't suppose it will help your understanding if
I tell you that I have never in my life worked for
less than the top rate although such offers were
made a few times.
From: unsettled on
T Wake wrote:

> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:454FB8DA.EBDBF16(a)hotmail.com...
>
>>
>>unsettled wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>>
>>>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>In the American lexicon, any work which pays less than
>>>>>the maximum going rate is "volunteering."
>>>>
>>>>So, teachers are volunteers. Policemen, firemen, ...
>>>>
>>>>Airline pilots who work for smaller airlines are volunteers too...
>>>
>>>I am pleased to announce that you and I live
>>>in rather different worlds.
>>
>>According to your analysis anyone accepting more than the maximum wage
>>possible
>>for a given occupation is volunteering for their current employer.
>>
>
> unsettled carried out analysis? Wow.
>
>
The two statements are opposites. This is one of the reasons
I stopped responding to the donkey. It is clear he's running
out of control again.

From: Eeyore on


unsettled wrote:

> T Wake wrote:
> > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>Nobody's appeasing anyone not suggesting they should do.
> >
> > unsettled (and those like him) have no case to put forward. As a result they
> > have to rely on scare terms such as the ubiquitous "Nazi" reference, mixed
> > in with what they view as cutting insults.
> >
> > How can you be an appeaser when there is no Nazi state to appease?
>
> As usual for you, your reply has nothing to do with
> what came before. You've not seen the documentary so
> you have no frame of reference whatever on which to
> base your response.

I challenge you to watch the documentary series ( 3 episodes of ~ 1 hr ea ) The
Power of Nightmares. It's one of the best analyses I've ever seen on TV.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1002626006461047517&q=power+of+nightmares

Is episode one. Follow the links for the remainder.

Apparently no major US network would broadcast it I've been told. Maybe it
challenged a few too many sacred cow like ideas ?

If you can post a link I'll happily watch the one you refer too as well.

Graham



From: lucasea on

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:454FCFE4.67960A2B(a)hotmail.com...
>
> Apparently no major US network would broadcast it I've been told. Maybe it
> challenged a few too many sacred cow like ideas ?

Nah, the average American audience hates to think. Except for PBS, the
Learning Channel, the Discovery Channel, and a few others, there is not a
network in the US that will ever broadcast anything that even comes close to
making anybody think. Through the course of my life, the two programs I
remember that best pass for "high intellect" on US network TV are "Roots", a
highly fictionalized docudrama about a slave in the early US and his
descendants, and "The Morning After", a cold-war docudrama about what life
would be like after nuclear war. A vast wasteland, indeed.

Eric Lucas