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From: John Larkin on 11 May 2010 09:24 On Mon, 10 May 2010 21:14:10 -0500, "Tim Williams" <tmoranwms(a)charter.net> wrote: >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message >news:hjahu5d35h5ej11fe9ml9hlvepjceek3jn(a)4ax.com... >> Sure, but why do they make you install a virtual machine and a whole >> nother OS to run 16 bit apps? Why didn't they include a dosboxy thing? > >John, > >It's not a Windows thing. In 64 bit ("long") mode, 16 bit instructions >don't work (either generate a fault or are mapped to other instructions). >32 bit is the new 16 bit (32 bit programs run in long mode for >compatability). > Of course it's a Windows thing. Surely Microsoft has a programmer good enough to write a dosboxy thing that will run 16-bit code. Or they could hire one. They just chose not to. >Anything that emulates (NOT virtualizes) 16 bit operation is an additional >program, like DOSBox or the Virtual Machine stuff. Right. Win7/64 doesn't include that. Which means I'm in no hurry to use it. John
From: Joerg on 11 May 2010 10:59 Nico Coesel wrote: > Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Joel Koltner wrote: >>> "Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:84rb16F5kuU2(a)mid.individual.net... >>>> I doubt it. I get around a lot because I am a consultant and have yet >>>> to see one single incidence of a Linux PC at a client. It's all Windows. >>> For desktop PCs, Linux has something like 5% penetration so... yeah, I'd >>> agree that it's not really eating Bill's lunch (I expect Bill is far >>> more worried about Steve Jobs...). For embedded systems however it's a >>> hands-down winner -- something like 75% market share these days. >>> >> 5%? Who did that statistical analysis? I have never seen a computer >> running Linux, only a few with Mac-OS. > > You don't have to see the computer. I use Linux almost daily. The > computer itself is tucked away in a server cabinet. I share it with a > few colleagues by using the Xming X-windows server. > Using a central computer is rare these days. What I meant is computers that run CAD, SPICE, all the stuff an engineer needs. For mundane and repetitive jobs such as file servers, databases or accounting there's often non-MS systems. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Nico Coesel on 11 May 2010 11:34 Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Nico Coesel wrote: >> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Joel Koltner wrote: >>>> "Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:84rb16F5kuU2(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>> I doubt it. I get around a lot because I am a consultant and have yet >>>>> to see one single incidence of a Linux PC at a client. It's all Windows. >>>> For desktop PCs, Linux has something like 5% penetration so... yeah, I'd >>>> agree that it's not really eating Bill's lunch (I expect Bill is far >>>> more worried about Steve Jobs...). For embedded systems however it's a >>>> hands-down winner -- something like 75% market share these days. >>>> >>> 5%? Who did that statistical analysis? I have never seen a computer >>> running Linux, only a few with Mac-OS. >> >> You don't have to see the computer. I use Linux almost daily. The >> computer itself is tucked away in a server cabinet. I share it with a >> few colleagues by using the Xming X-windows server. >> > >Using a central computer is rare these days. What I meant is computers >that run CAD, SPICE, all the stuff an engineer needs. That particular machine is used for software development. It could be used for other purposes as well if we want. Come to think of it. At most of my previous employers I used a central Linux machine for software development. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico(a)nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------
From: Joerg on 11 May 2010 11:46 Nico Coesel wrote: > Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Nico Coesel wrote: >>> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Joel Koltner wrote: >>>>> "Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:84rb16F5kuU2(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>>> I doubt it. I get around a lot because I am a consultant and have yet >>>>>> to see one single incidence of a Linux PC at a client. It's all Windows. >>>>> For desktop PCs, Linux has something like 5% penetration so... yeah, I'd >>>>> agree that it's not really eating Bill's lunch (I expect Bill is far >>>>> more worried about Steve Jobs...). For embedded systems however it's a >>>>> hands-down winner -- something like 75% market share these days. >>>>> >>>> 5%? Who did that statistical analysis? I have never seen a computer >>>> running Linux, only a few with Mac-OS. >>> You don't have to see the computer. I use Linux almost daily. The >>> computer itself is tucked away in a server cabinet. I share it with a >>> few colleagues by using the Xming X-windows server. >>> >> Using a central computer is rare these days. What I meant is computers >> that run CAD, SPICE, all the stuff an engineer needs. > > That particular machine is used for software development. It could be > used for other purposes as well if we want. Come to think of it. At > most of my previous employers I used a central Linux machine for > software development. > Now I am sure, I must be living in a different universe :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joel Koltner on 11 May 2010 12:24
"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_(a)charter.net> wrote in message news:5q2Gn.1244$gv4.472(a)newsfe09.iad... > I've also been reading that other third party VMware seems to be more > reliable in operating than what MS is offering.. who knows.. VMware is definitely better... but unfortunately not free... |