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From: BURT on 10 Jun 2010 23:42
On Jun 10, 8:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 7:42 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 10, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > I don't know what you are doing here. You sure are not addressing me.
>
> > > Do you do your own work? Or are you just repeating what you have read
> > > over and over?
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > There is still an outstanding question you have not answered.
>
> > Double slit experiments have been performed with C-60 molecules.
>
> > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
> > by the double solution theory
> > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
>
> > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the
> > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case
> > of an external field acting on the particle.'
>
> > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration
> > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be
> > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is
> > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very
> > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion
> > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at
> > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must
> > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be
> > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting
> > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the
> > v wave.'
>
> > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave.
> > The external field acting on the particle is the aether.
>
> > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory
>
> > "In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
> > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
> > through exactly one of the slits."
>
> > You said you agreed with Bohm. Bohm states the particle, in this case
> > a C-60 molecule, has a well-defined trajectory and passes through
> > exactly one of the slits.
>
> > Do you agree with Bohm or don't you?
>
> Quantum mechanics isn't objective. But the push by the wave of the
> particle of energy I believe. This is called quantum vibration float
> in space.
>

And of course in two time flow. It is the same for the particle as it
is for the wave. The whole is in two time.

> Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

From: mpc755 on 11 Jun 2010 00:33
On Jun 10, 11:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 8:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 10, 7:42 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 10, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I don't know what you are doing here. You sure are not addressing me.
>
> > > > Do you do your own work? Or are you just repeating what you have read
> > > > over and over?
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > There is still an outstanding question you have not answered.
>
> > > Double slit experiments have been performed with C-60 molecules.
>
> > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
> > > by the double solution theory
> > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001..pdf
>
> > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the
> > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case
> > > of an external field acting on the particle.'
>
> > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration
> > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be
> > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is
> > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very
> > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion
> > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at
> > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must
> > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be
> > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting
> > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the
> > > v wave.'
>
> > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave.
> > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether.
>
> > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory
>
> > > "In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
> > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
> > > through exactly one of the slits."
>
> > > You said you agreed with Bohm. Bohm states the particle, in this case
> > > a C-60 molecule, has a well-defined trajectory and passes through
> > > exactly one of the slits.
>
> > > Do you agree with Bohm or don't you?
>
> > Quantum mechanics isn't objective. But the push by the wave of the
> > particle of energy I believe. This is called quantum vibration float
> > in space.
>
> And of course in two time flow. It is the same for the particle as it
> is for the wave. The whole is in two time.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory

"In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
through exactly one of the slits."

Bohm states the particle passes through exactly one of the slits.

In a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, do you agree with
Bohm that the C-60 molecule passes through exactly one of the slits?
From: BURT on 11 Jun 2010 01:02
On Jun 10, 9:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 11:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 10, 8:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 10, 7:42 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 10, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I don't know what you are doing here. You sure are not addressing me.
>
> > > > > Do you do your own work? Or are you just repeating what you have read
> > > > > over and over?
>
> > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > There is still an outstanding question you have not answered.
>
> > > > Double slit experiments have been performed with C-60 molecules.
>
> > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
> > > > by the double solution theory
> > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
>
> > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the
> > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case
> > > > of an external field acting on the particle.'
>
> > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration
> > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be
> > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is
> > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very
> > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion
> > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at
> > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must
> > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be
> > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting
> > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the
> > > > v wave.'
>
> > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave.
> > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether.
>
> > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory
>
> > > > "In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
> > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
> > > > through exactly one of the slits."
>
> > > > You said you agreed with Bohm. Bohm states the particle, in this case
> > > > a C-60 molecule, has a well-defined trajectory and passes through
> > > > exactly one of the slits.
>
> > > > Do you agree with Bohm or don't you?
>
> > > Quantum mechanics isn't objective. But the push by the wave of the
> > > particle of energy I believe. This is called quantum vibration float
> > > in space.
>
> > And of course in two time flow. It is the same for the particle as it
> > is for the wave. The whole is in two time.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory
>
> "In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
> slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
> through exactly one of the slits."
>
> Bohm states the particle passes through exactly one of the slits.
>
> In a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, do you agree with
> Bohm that the C-60 molecule passes through exactly one of the slits?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am not so sure they have done that experiment. I think it hasn't
been done but is being used as a thought experiment.
What is more important is that the wave can collapse into its energy.
This is when the wave pattern disappears because of light and particle
flowing together at the two slits.

Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 11 Jun 2010 07:34
On Jun 11, 1:02 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 9:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 10, 11:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 10, 8:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 10, 7:42 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 10, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I don't know what you are doing here. You sure are not addressing me.
>
> > > > > > Do you do your own work? Or are you just repeating what you have read
> > > > > > over and over?
>
> > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > > There is still an outstanding question you have not answered.
>
> > > > > Double slit experiments have been performed with C-60 molecules.
>
> > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
> > > > > by the double solution theory
> > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
>
> > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the
> > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case
> > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.'
>
> > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration
> > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be
> > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is
> > > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very
> > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion
> > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at
> > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must
> > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be
> > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting
> > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the
> > > > > v wave.'
>
> > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave.
> > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether.
>
> > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.
>
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory
>
> > > > > "In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
> > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
> > > > > through exactly one of the slits."
>
> > > > > You said you agreed with Bohm. Bohm states the particle, in this case
> > > > > a C-60 molecule, has a well-defined trajectory and passes through
> > > > > exactly one of the slits.
>
> > > > > Do you agree with Bohm or don't you?
>
> > > > Quantum mechanics isn't objective. But the push by the wave of the
> > > > particle of energy I believe. This is called quantum vibration float
> > > > in space.
>
> > > And of course in two time flow. It is the same for the particle as it
> > > is for the wave. The whole is in two time.
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory
>
> > "In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
> > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
> > through exactly one of the slits."
>
> > Bohm states the particle passes through exactly one of the slits.
>
> > In a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, do you agree with
> > Bohm that the C-60 molecule passes through exactly one of the slits?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I am not so sure they have done that experiment. I think it hasn't
> been done but is being used as a thought experiment.
> What is more important is that the wave can collapse into its energy.
> This is when the wave pattern disappears because of light and particle
> flowing together at the two slits.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

'Wave–particle duality of C60 molecules'
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v401/n6754/abs/401680a0.html

"Here we report the observation of de Broglie wave interference of
C60 molecules by diffraction at a material absorption grating."

'Double-slit experiment'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

"Recent studies have revealed that interference is not restricted
solely to elementary particles such as protons, neutrons, and
electrons. Specifically, it has been shown that large molecular
structures like fullerene (C60) also produce interference patterns."

'Wave–particle duality'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality

"In 1999, the diffraction of C60 fullerenes by researchers from the
University of Vienna was reported.[15] Fullerenes are comparatively
large and massive objects, having an atomic mass of about 720 u. The
de Broglie wavelength is 2.5 pm, whereas the diameter of the molecule
is about 1 nm, about 400 times larger. As of 2005, this is the largest
object for which quantum-mechanical wave-like properties have been
directly observed in far-field diffraction."

'Quantum interference experiments with large molecules'
http://hexagon.physics.wisc.edu/teaching/2007f_ph448/interesting%20papers/zeilinger%20large%20molecule%20interference%20ajp%202003.pdf

"The soccer-ball-shaped carbon cages C60 are large, massive, and
appealing objects for which it is clear that they must behave like
particles under ordinary circumstances. We present the results of a
multislit diffraction experiment with such objects to demonstrate
their wave nature."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory

"In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
through exactly one of the slits."

Bohm states the particle passes through exactly one of the slits.

In a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, do you agree with
Bohm that the C-60 molecule passes through exactly one of the slits?
From: BURT on 11 Jun 2010 18:17
On Jun 11, 4:34 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 11, 1:02 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 10, 9:33 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 10, 11:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 10, 8:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 10, 7:42 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 10, 10:03 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I don't know what you are doing here. You sure are not addressing me.
>
> > > > > > > Do you do your own work? Or are you just repeating what you have read
> > > > > > > over and over?
>
> > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > > > There is still an outstanding question you have not answered.
>
> > > > > > Double slit experiments have been performed with C-60 molecules..
>
> > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
> > > > > > by the double solution theory
> > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
>
> > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the
> > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case
> > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.'
>
> > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration
> > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be
> > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is
> > > > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very
> > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion
> > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at
> > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must
> > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be
> > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting
> > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the
> > > > > > v wave.'
>
> > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave.
> > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether.
>
> > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.
>
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory
>
> > > > > > "In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
> > > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
> > > > > > through exactly one of the slits."
>
> > > > > > You said you agreed with Bohm. Bohm states the particle, in this case
> > > > > > a C-60 molecule, has a well-defined trajectory and passes through
> > > > > > exactly one of the slits.
>
> > > > > > Do you agree with Bohm or don't you?
>
> > > > > Quantum mechanics isn't objective. But the push by the wave of the
> > > > > particle of energy I believe. This is called quantum vibration float
> > > > > in space.
>
> > > > And of course in two time flow. It is the same for the particle as it
> > > > is for the wave. The whole is in two time.
>
> > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory
>
> > > "In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
> > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
> > > through exactly one of the slits."
>
> > > Bohm states the particle passes through exactly one of the slits.
>
> > > In a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, do you agree with
> > > Bohm that the C-60 molecule passes through exactly one of the slits?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I am not so sure they have done that experiment. I think it hasn't
> > been done but is being used as a thought experiment.
> > What is more important is that the wave can collapse into its energy.
> > This is when the wave pattern disappears because of light and particle
> > flowing together at the two slits.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> 'Wave–particle duality of C60 molecules'http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v401/n6754/abs/401680a0.html
>
> "Here we report the observation of de Broglie wave interference of
> C60  molecules by diffraction at a material absorption grating."
>
> 'Double-slit experiment'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
>
> "Recent studies have revealed that interference is not restricted
> solely to elementary particles such as protons, neutrons, and
> electrons. Specifically, it has been shown that large molecular
> structures like fullerene (C60) also produce interference patterns."
>
> 'Wave–particle duality'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality
>
> "In 1999, the diffraction of C60 fullerenes by researchers from the
> University of Vienna was reported.[15]  Fullerenes are comparatively
> large and massive objects, having an atomic mass of about 720 u. The
> de Broglie wavelength is 2.5 pm, whereas the diameter of the molecule
> is about 1 nm, about 400 times larger. As of 2005, this is the largest
> object for which quantum-mechanical wave-like properties have been
> directly observed in far-field diffraction."
>
> 'Quantum interference experiments with large molecules'http://hexagon.physics.wisc.edu/teaching/2007f_ph448/interesting%20pa...
>
> "The soccer-ball-shaped carbon cages C60 are large, massive, and
> appealing objects for which it is clear that they must behave like
> particles under ordinary circumstances. We present the results of a
> multislit diffraction experiment with such objects to demonstrate
> their wave nature."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory
>
> "In de Broglie–Bohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both
> slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes
> through exactly one of the slits."
>
> Bohm states the particle passes through exactly one of the slits.
>
> In a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule, do you agree with
> Bohm that the C-60 molecule passes through exactly one of the slits?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Your links to the buckballe experiment don't go anywhere.
I doubt that it is even a real experiment for my part.

How are these particle collected? How are they made?
I think that if these questions are answered this turns out to be only
a thought experiment.

Mitch Raemsch
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