From: Ken Smith on
In article <jkd5d2h0fa7t5u9jra6ane58lf2itn1l49(a)4ax.com>,
Phat Bytestard <phatbytestard(a)getinmahharddrive.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:37:04 +0000 (UTC), kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken
>Smith) Gave us:
>
>>In article <t403d29dgm5umouirfnl55mi62ctu6sp9c(a)4ax.com>,
>>Phat Bytestard <phatbytestard(a)getinmahharddrive.org> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:36:30 +0100, Eeyore
>>><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> Gave us:
>>>
>>>>Since it was given to them it's hardly a case of 'spending it' is it ?
>>>
>>> They HAVE to spend it here. THAT is the rule.
>>>
>>> It bolsters our economy,
>>
>>So you are suggesting that when we take money away from one group of
>>americans and then have someone use it to buy things from another that
>>will then be exported this bolsters the economy. The is utter nonsense.
>
> You're an idiot.

What a wonderful counter argument to my point! Since you can't come up
with better than that, I'll count this as a direct hit for me.

>>It leaves the US poorer.
>
> You're lost.

I assume you would also dispute that 5 - 2 = 3. The US ends up with less
at the end than it started with. That is poorer.

>> People have lost money and done work in exchange
>>for nothing.
>
> You have lost touch, that's about it.

[....]

> Two companies competed for the JSF design, developing with their own
>money. The X-36 is another example of a plane that was developed with
>private money, as was the YF-22.

Tow companies competed to get the tax payer's money given to them to make
the JSF. A few go a little richer at the cost of many getting poorer.
Nothing of use was created for all the effort so the US is poorer. There
is no question about it.


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From: joseph2k on
Eeyore wrote:

>
>
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
>> And how can Israel militarily defeat an organisation as nebulous as
>> Hezbollah? Are they going to kill every Lebanese supporter? From the air?
>
> Replace Israel with Britain, Hezbollah with the IRA and Lebanese with
> Irish for an intereting perspective !
>
> Graham

It took you this long to get there? I have been comparing the two
situations for many years now. Two things in common, nurturing old grudges
to be above law and twisted religious interpretations supporting violence.

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JosephKK
Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.  
--Schiller
From: Bill Sloman on

"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
news:ant4d2d1vilsko5kson7t7c4m63cruvlcu(a)4ax.com...
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:19:45 +0100, Eeyore
> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>John Fields wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:08:25 +0100, Eeyore
>>> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In return you got our 'golden jewels' utterly free of charge like radar
>>> >and jet engines.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Hundreds of thousands of American lives lost fighting on your
>>> behalf is hardly "free".
>>
>>On 'our' behalf ?
>
> ---
> Didn't you ask us to get into the war?

Sure. Repeatedly. It took quite a while before you saw that it was to your
advantage to beat Hitler before Stalin could, and only then - once your
self-interest was fully engaged - did you become the "loyal ally" of the
U.K. Get real.

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen


From: Fred Bloggs on


Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> Fred Bloggs wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>
>>> Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fred Bloggs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bill.sloman(a)ieee.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Your confidence is misplaced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My field-hockey team's fitness training includes an exercise called
>>>>>> "hakkebillen" - literally "kick buttocks" - which involves running
>>>>>> slowly while bring up your heels behind you as high as you can go. My
>>>>>> knees aren't flexible enough to let me kick my own bottom this
>>>>>> way, but
>>>>>> I can try, and fail, repeatedly without falling over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You should take up Hindu squats- if you have knee problems then do
>>>>> them with your feet kept flat. Work up to 500 reps:
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_squat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just realized that article was written by a wimp. You can add
>>>> resistance to the Hindu squats with this accessory-any of those
>>>> Power Jumpers:
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/search//002-4776722-5136856?&node=3375301&keywords=power%20jumper
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you want to totally destroy your knees.
>>> Ditto 'chicken walking'.
>>>
>>
>> That's bull- I do thousands of them, traditionally on toes, and the
>> knees never felt better.
>
>
> And some people smoke 50 a day all their lives and don't get cancer.
> You don't know what your situation will be until its too late.
>
> Dirk

If your knee ligaments are weak then the Hindu squats will initially
cause some residual discomfort- but they will eventually strengthen.
Most idiopathic chronic joint pain is caused by disuse. So either you
injured your knees in martial arts combat, or you are a wimp.

From: Ken Smith on
In article <44d34bd8$0$2816$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote:
[....]
>Then you haven't looked very hard. The Joint Strike Fighter is being jointly
>developed by a consortium of ten countries
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II
>
>The US is going to be the major contributor to the $40 billion total cost,
>but the U.K is putting in more than $2 billion, Italy $1 billion and the
>Netherlands some $800 million. The rest are spread out between $175 million
>and $100 million.

Has the money actually changed hands yet? I'm quite willing to be
technically wrong about the JSF because it was not the main point of the
argument I was making. My main point was that when the US "sells" arms by
giving countries money to buy them with, the US ends up poorer in the
process. On the JSF, the US will be putting up almost all the money for
development and then "selling" the fighters to, lets say, Israel and
ending up poorer in the process.


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