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From: Jim Yanik on 11 Aug 2006 21:35 John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in news:30dpd2p4u3ekp8lohu24j4mb21qf4am6e9(a)4ax.com: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:18:56 +0100, John Woodgate ><jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >>In message <848pd2t1uphqor8t6deno1ea02guh0rf6r(a)4ax.com>, dated Fri, 11 >>Aug 2006, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> >>writes >> >>>It's interesting how obsessed europeans seem to be with American >>>politics. >> >>You keep telling us about it. Naturally, that encourages us to comment. >> >>>Since their function in the world is largely passive by choice, and >>>since enormous messes remain of their direct making, I should think >>>they'd be content to spend their days on holiday, wine-tasting or >>>whatever they do for amusement. >> >>European supra-national politics is Byzantine and boring; it does indeed >>struggle from one mess to another. And the politics of each individual >>country is a closed (and boring) book to people in other countries. and caused a couple of World Wars,and maybe contribute greatly to the present WW4(Islamofascism War). >> >>So US politics is all we can discuss.(;-) > > > I am disappointed that so many people seem to be interested in blame, > but uninterested in the history and dynamics that have made the world > the way it is. Modern history didn't start in 1945. Certain parties > enjoy claiming that europeans invented most of the marvels of the > modern age but none of the horrors. > > I think the US has been, to a great extent, a victim of history, > albeit a muscular and dangerous one. Some day all the world will be > able to afford the luxuries that Europe now enjoys without guilt. > > John > > > It seems that Europe can't afford the luxury of air conditioning;they lost a lot of people in the recent heat waves.... -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
From: Jim Yanik on 11 Aug 2006 21:44 John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in news:chqpd2d8gsgii8aepddv78r9oc4v4n06rd(a)4ax.com: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:09:47 +0100, John Woodgate ><jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > >>>I think the US has been, to a great extent, a victim of history, albeit >>>a muscular and dangerous one. Some day all the world will be able to >>>afford the luxuries that Europe now enjoys without guilt. >> >>Americans enjoy even more luxuries; do you feel guilty? > > I do. I should do more to help the sick and miserable of the world. 1% > of my income would feed a village in Africa. IMO,their own "governmental" systems are the cause of their problems. Without correcting those,donating is just pissing into the wind,and may even be more harmful to them.Just feeding villages does nothing to make them self-sufficient,especially when the gov't controls who gets what,or confiscates part(much)of it. Zimbabwe was far better off as the former Rhodesia,for example. Now they are a disaster. Look at what the Islamics are doing in Somalia. Many "Third World" governments are their peoples own worst enemy. And the West has been pouring billions into Africa for many years without effect. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
From: Michael A. Terrell on 11 Aug 2006 22:54 John Woodgate wrote: > > In message <Xns981C7D17F4B73jyanikkuanet(a)129.250.170.86>, dated Fri, 11 > Aug 2006, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> writes > > >AFAIK,the "Christian soil" business is NOT in the Bible, > > I agree. > > >as the Islamic soil bit is in the Koran. > > Do you know where? > > >Nor does the Bible -require- other faiths to convert,or suggest it be > >done by force. > > Matthew 10, 34. > -- > OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk > 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. > > John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK ? The Book of Matthew Chapter 10 Verrse 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida
From: bill.sloman on 12 Aug 2006 00:00 Jim Yanik wrote: > John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in > news:30dpd2p4u3ekp8lohu24j4mb21qf4am6e9(a)4ax.com: > > > On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:18:56 +0100, John Woodgate > ><jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > >>In message <848pd2t1uphqor8t6deno1ea02guh0rf6r(a)4ax.com>, dated Fri, 11 > >>Aug 2006, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> > >>writes > >> > >>>It's interesting how obsessed europeans seem to be with American > >>>politics. > >> > >>You keep telling us about it. Naturally, that encourages us to comment. > >> > >>>Since their function in the world is largely passive by choice, and > >>>since enormous messes remain of their direct making, I should think > >>>they'd be content to spend their days on holiday, wine-tasting or > >>>whatever they do for amusement. > >> > >>European supra-national politics is Byzantine and boring; it does indeed > >>struggle from one mess to another. And the politics of each individual > >>country is a closed (and boring) book to people in other countries. > > and caused a couple of World Wars,and maybe contribute greatly to the > present WW4(Islamofascism War). Since WW1 was an essentially European war, we were probably entitled to cause it. Hitler's rise to power was funded in part by Henry Ford - who contributed generously early on and whose support was probably crucial to Hitler's eventual success - so the US has a definite share in the responsibility for WW2. WW4 is largely an Islamic nationalist reaction to the U.S. support for the current Saudi regime, for the Shah's regime in Iran (while it lasted) and for its support the state of Israel. Europe probably can't be said to have contributed "greatly" to that. Europe has its own oil interests in the Middle East, and has had for most of the previous century, but it certainly doesn't have exclusive exclusive responsiblity for the problems of the region. The list of the regimes that the U.S has supported - the Shah in Iran, Saddam in Irak (until he got uppity), Sharon in Israel - don't really include any enthusiastic peace-mongers. > >>So US politics is all we can discuss.(;-) > > > > > > I am disappointed that so many people seem to be interested in blame, > > but uninterested in the history and dynamics that have made the world > > the way it is. Modern history didn't start in 1945. Certain parties > > enjoy claiming that europeans invented most of the marvels of the > > modern age but none of the horrors. > > > > I think the US has been, to a great extent, a victim of history, > > albeit a muscular and dangerous one. Some day all the world will be > > able to afford the luxuries that Europe now enjoys without guilt. > > > It seems that Europe can't afford the luxury of air conditioning; they lost > a lot of people in the recent heat waves.... Europeans can afford air-conditioning, but in Northern Europe it is a fairly expensive luxury for the week or so in summer when you really need it. The people who die are elderly pensioners who couldn't afford air-conditioning in the US either. During the recent heat wave, the electrical goods shops sold out of air-conditioners within a few days, so a fair proportion of the Dutch obviously can afford it. Check you own heat-wave mortality figures - I suspect that you have the same sorts of levels of excess/premature deaths when the weather gets hot, but you don't make such a fuss about them. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: joseph2k on 12 Aug 2006 00:00
John Larkin wrote: > On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 16:14:10 +0100, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>John Fields wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:15:49 +0100, Eeyore >>> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >John Fields wrote: >>> > >>> >> On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:28:08 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >>> >> <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >Except, of course, that Britain stood alone when it mattered and the >>> >> >US did not. >>> >> >>> >> --- >>> >> "When it mattered?" Don't be absurd. As far as you know we got >>> >> there just in time. >>> > >>> >I guess he might be referring to the Battle of Britain ? >>> >>> Maybe, but he'd be wrong since we _were_ there. Only a few of us, >>> but... >> >>These were Americans fighting on our side simply because they believed in >>the cause of course not on account of US policy. >> >> > > US Army trained pilots were temporarily relieved of their comissions > so that they could "volunteer" to fight with the RAF. That took > official approval at, as they say, "the highest levels." Once the US > was officially in the war, they rejoined the US Army Air Force. > > John But isn't P/O (petty officer) a Navy rate? (Enlisted at that). Just the same they would have to have command permission to do so. -- JosephKK Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens. --Schiller |